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Seems like Blizz is trying to get around the problem of Druids wanting both DPS and tanking sets by making an all in one. In the past this would suck, but in TBC it could work.

Bear AC is now 450% (was 360%) and HP by 40% (up from 1200) This means that AC that is about right for cat form is now good for bear, same for stamina.

We will have to see if this works though

Комментарий от caleser

I wonder how the stats on this set will play into the new raid system with 25 man raid cap. Usually in smaller raids, guilds pick resto druids over feral ones. But, with the feral gear we see blizz implementing into the expansion, maybe more guilds will start taking feral druids for tanking and dps purposes.

Комментарий от skelemence

I agree with above posts, Leader of the Pack and Moonkin Aura are great buffs which can seriously up the damage done. Shame only resto druids are allowed :(

Probably because most of the loot is resto the raid leader says that if you are balance/feral you can't roll on resto gear. Happened to a friend of mine who wanted to be shadowpriest at a raid.

Комментарий от Detton

There isn't a whole lot of crit or hit rating, so remember to boost that up with non-set/other pieces as best as you can. Luckily, there's five pieces (and you only need 4 for the set bonuses) so this is easily doable.

The 2-piece set bonus is amazing. The 4-piece is great, but it's not as good as the 2-piece. This gives you leeway to pick up the 2-piece set bonus from, perhaps, another feral set.

The gauntlets and the leggings have no sockets. The gauntlets, however, have crit rating (but no agility) so if you were to pick out pieces to not get, I would start with one of those (depending on what gear you currently have)

Комментарий от 26001

Does anyone know if the bearform AC multiplier affects the 1400AC from the 4-piece bonus?

Комментарий от 15262

The 4 piece armor bonus is to make up for the fact that many of the pieces have such terrible armor. Is it enough? Nope.

Комментарий от 31205

In wich raids does these tier4 parts drops?

Комментарий от 31205

or dungeons? :)

Комментарий от lithander

I fail to get what this set aims to be. I mean it's a feral set, that's obvious, but what is a feral supposed to do with it?

Tanking --- It doesn't have a lot of armor. It has no resilience or defense, (direly needed to become critt immune) and the amount of stamina is a joke: even rogues got 40 more on their T4 set.

Kitty-Dps --- Is there any raid that has a feral druid on a pure dps spot? Well, even if there is one he won't be happy about Spirit and Intelect on his set. Neither about crit rating instead of Agility.

Offhealer/Dps --- Okay lets pretend the intellect is for when you got to help with healing. But spirit is still about useless for that and more important: where is the +healing? A moonglade style set would be far better for that role.

Bottomline: Gladiator's Sanctuary is the better feral druid set not only in PvP but also in PvE.

Комментарий от Tentonaxe

This set is easily the best set for bear tanking in the game right now. Although it has less stamina and agility than the T5, it does have more armor, and a better balance of stats. This allows the druid to DPS very well, backup and heal someone if needed, and Offtank when it is needed. Personally i would advise not getting the gloves if u have the other 4 pieces, and instead getting https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30943 Verdant gloves, from a quest in shadowmoon. They are the highest armor gloves in the game, and add a decent amount of stamina and agility, these should be enchanted with +15 agility to add that much more dodge and armor. Another reason i feel this is the best tanking set for druids at the moment is because of the set bonuses. the set bonuses in T5 are more pvp oriented, and the T4 set bonuses are better for PvE. For dps, a chance at getting 20 extra energy will allow for more shreds, and getting 10 extra rage on an attack can add up quickly with spamming lacerate and maul.

As far as talent spec goes, i would go far enough into resto to get Natures Swiftness, and the rest in feral. in doing so you lose mangle, but in a raid stiuation where you are the only feral druid, mangle is not very important. They did add a 50% bonus threat to mangle's damage, but i find that it is easy enough to hold aggro with lacerate and maul alone.

Комментарий от Taelidan

For the residential fashionwhore, should you want the remaining "pieces" of the set when it comes to looks, they are as follows:

Wrist - Bracers of the White Stag (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28453)

Waist - Cord of Nature's Sustenance (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28655)

Feet - Forestlord Striders (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28752)

Комментарий от Rishadan

Changes to this set in patch 2.1.0 are:

Head:

+90armor
+1str
+2agi
-14spi

Shoulders:

+54armor
-8int
-13spi

Chest:

Changes unknown

Gloves:

+166armor
-3int
-12spi

Leggings:

+216armor
+5int
-16spi

Комментарий от 22941

the thing which is wrong abt every druid set is that gloves armor is not even close to that of vedant gloves.
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30943

Комментарий от 51880

is this armour increase real, cos thats nice. that was the only thing i didnt like about tier 4, that i had sum greens or blues that had more armour or even stats but with the armour, stats, gems slots, and the armour increase of 1400 for 4 pieces of the set, this should make for sum sexy tankage and dps. Also keep in mind if ur an all out feral, u should hav heart of the wild making strength a lot better than straight out attack power so this will be nooiiiicee!!!

Комментарий от 50870

<Expected Efficiency of the 2-set bonus (in cat form)>:

According to https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=37311#z0z , the proc chance of 2-set bonus in cat form is 4%. That is an expected proc of 20 energy per 25 attacks, including normal attacks and special attacks.

Assuming that the cat uses mangle as special attacks. The cat generates 20 energy every 2 seconds (without Omen), so it takes 4 seconds to use 1 mangle. That equals 0.25 mangle in 1 sec. Added to the normal 1 attack per second, yielding 1.25 attacks per second.

So it takes 20 seconds for the cat to attack 25 times, and generating 20 addition energy from the 2-set bonus.

As a result,
<expected energy generted per 2 second>=(20 energy/20 sec) x 2 +20= 22 energy per 2 seconds.

Meanwhile, a rogue with 5/5 combat potency and a 1.5 speed offhand would normally generate 24 energy per 2 seconds.

Комментарий от cucmw5

Am I the only one who thinks this armor looks more skin-tight than the last few druid sets? Looks great on night elf women... I digress...

Комментарий от 49206

Excuse me, who is Malorne?

Комментарий от Buuuz

I dont know why but :

Тier 6 3152 *4,0 = 12608 armor

Тier 4 2674 *4,0 = 10696 +1400(set bonus) =12096 armor

512 armor difference? WHY? :*(

Without any talents ....

So I must said: "No comments..."

Комментарий от mojojojo101

Why does this set have NO defense rating ????

Комментарий от 20678

I think that the 4 pieces cat bonus should be redesigned, as HOTW doesn't buff strength anymore. It should be changed to Attack power IMO.

Комментарий от D4NK

this is one of the variations of the tier 4 set for druids.

The tier 4 tokens are found in Karazhan (a 10 man instance with a lengthy attunement). Gruuls lair (a 25 man with no attunement) And Magtheridons lair (also a 25 man with no attunement).

Helm of the Fallen ___ (Head): Prince Malchezaar, Karazhan
Pauldrons of the Fallen ___ (Shoulders): High King Maulgar, Gruul's Lair
Chestguard of the Fallen ___ (Chest): Magtheridon, Magtheridon's Lair
Gloves of the Fallen ___ (Hands): The Curator, Karazhan
Leggings of the Fallen ___ (Legs): Gruul the Dragonkiller, Gruul's Lair

Here is a list of who needs which kind of token:

___ of the Fallen Champion: Paladins, Rogues, Shamans
___ of the Fallen Defender: Druids, Priests, Warriors
___ of the Fallen Hero: Hunters, Mages, Warlocks

once you have an appropriate "token" you can cash them at either the aldor or scryers tier. (it depends which one likes you and wont attack you)

Комментарий от paulthegreat

Unless they do something to massively increase ferals' white damage, the 2-pc bonus of this set will always be worth upwards of an additional 7% damage (since around 70% of feral damage is energy-based, and the bonus increases energy by upwards of 10%). Just like priest and druid 3-pc Tier 2, this set bonus will probably be nerfed in the expansion so that dps-ing ferals aren't still wearing 2-pc Tier 4 at level 80.

Edited for WotLK: Blizzard made the same change to the 2-pc bonus as they made to all other energy gains from lower level items/gear (for rogues). Basically, the effectiveness drops per character level above the intended character level. So you get the full benefit at level 70, but zero benefit at level 80, with scaling benefit between.

Комментарий от 10128

I wonder, what is the ideal equipement for a DPS feral Druid if everything is available to you? Would you keep the 2pc T4 even with Sunwell semi-set?

If you did, what items are ideal? I would guess gloves at least, because they are the least important item, and then what? Shoulders?

I'd feel annoyed clearing SW and wearing my odd-looking T4 all over the place.

Комментарий от 23311

Now that Druids can get both 2p T4 and 4p T6, the general mix tends to be:

T4 Shoulders and Chest
T6 Bracers, Boots, Belt, Leggings

Or, if you're not that far into Sunwell:

T4 Shoulders and Helm
T6 Bracers, Leggings, Chest, Gloves

With the non-Tier occupied slots being filled with quality Rogue loot.

Комментарий от Thottbot

ahh no, not this argument again!...

I have found that being feral and equiping myself with a good balance of agility and strenght, int, stamina etc. has indeed helped alot in PvP. Its always good to come out of cat form spam the crap out of someone with moonfire then back into cat form, crit him for 500(more at times) while he is trying to run away...LOVELY!

Комментарий от Thottbot

I don't understand why druids feel they can't heal and dps at the same time... Have you ever fought Gruul? Unless your entire raid handles the shatter perfectly, you're gonna take some damage, and at times, a LOT of damage. Half the time I wouldn't survive the fight without that extra int/spirit to keep me going. I usually find myself popping in and out of kitty form to innervate healers, battle rez, tranquility if my group needs it, and toss myself a heal or two after a shatter or a nasty cave in hit. Same thing for the Curator fight, I mean, sure, it's a high DPS fight, but it's also very intense for the healers. You do a lot by popping out once and a while and healing someone, and especially using tranquility if necessary, when your healers are starting to get low on mana. And what about for Shade of Aran when you're stuck in that ring of fire and can't move towards the boss to DPS? Do you just stand there in kitty form and do nothing? Pop out and starfire or something... pewpew his ass.

I would rather have that int and spirit for a little more survivability/convenience because druids are NOT rogues, and we're NOT warriors, we're hybrids, so we CAN do things like that. And whoever the person was above who said druids are NOT hybrids doesn't know how to play. If you've ever started killing something in kitty form, then 3 or 4 more adds came over, I'm sure you've probably barkskinned, tossed yourself a heal or two, maybe cycloned/rooted/hibernated something, and then went bear form (if you didn't, and just sat there in cat form and died, please delete your toon). THAT, my friend, is being a hybrid. Hell, if you've even done so much as toss a rejuv on yourself after killing something in cat form, that's being a hybrid too. Sure, you can spec feral, but that doesn't mean you can't still pewpew and heal. "Recognise the hybrid nature of our class and play to it." Thanks Hrocdol for that comment, even though you spelled 'recognize' wrong :P

I personally think the set is great. I only have the helm and shoulders and I have just shy of 2700 ap and 35% crit with Mark of the Wild as it is. That's plenty. I wouldn't want to substitute the int or spirit for DPS stats at all... Well, except for the gloves... give us some freakin' agi on those things!

Комментарий от Thottbot

The tier 4 Druid set Malorne was named after the demi God Malorne. He was the father of the Demi God Cenarius, and Husband to the Demi God Elune (Godess of the moon). He was a great and powerful Demi God and was always depicted as a great white Stag. He took part in the War of the Ancients beside his son Cenarius. Dut during battle Cenarius was badly wounded in battle and Malorne charged to the front of the line to hold off the legion while the night elevs dragged him off the battle field. Once the leader of the legion Archimonde noticed that Cenarius had ben taken away he was furious and challenged Malorne to a one on one combat. Malorne fought with all his might and power but still was not able to kill him and eventually had his neck broken by Archimonde.

Комментарий от Thottbot

sorry but I would rather take Zierhut's Lost Treads for dps, mainly because of the bonuses I get from talents to STR... 34 STR is over 70 AP, and as an added bonus I get 50% of that to my healing spells. Depending on the gems you put in Edgewalker Longboots it might be possible to make them better for dps.

Edgewalker Longboots in my opinion are for Rogues, and with my spec Zierhut's Lost Treads are better for dps and can also be used for tanking making them better overall.

On the subject of int and spi Xentara hit the nail on the head, Druids are hybrids, with the ability to adapt to changing situations, this is another reason to take the treads over the longboots for dps, lets looks at two Scenarios you kit yourself out with rogue gear ( lots of AP high dps ) you get stuck in flame wreath, and pop out to heal...yes this is better than just sitting doing nothing...now lets say you kit yourself out with Druid gear ( lots of STR high dps ) only this time when unable to dps your heals do a lot more...of course for this to be true you need to take the right talents on the Feral tree. Yes there are talents on the feral tree that incease healing, and maybe 34 STR on one item may not make that much of a difference, but it starts to make a big difference when you are getting over 300 STR, so don't take Rogue gear for dps, I will agree this is not always possible ( I myself have some rogue gear for dps, but I would upgrade them for some heavy stat items in a heartbeat )

To the poster who said
"Druids are not a hybrid class. Learn your class, if you think its hybrid you are playing it wrong. "

You are just a Rogue stuck in a Druids body.

Playing a class well means using ALL of your abilities at the appropriate times...when unable to dps, shifting to heal is better than stting and doing nothing, so while you are sitting their doing nothing refusing to shift, and realise the hybrid nature of the class...you sir are playing the class wrong, and should reroll a Rogue, and go post on their sets.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Having int on this set is not useless, powershifting to get back 40 energy will use most of your mana in a 10 minute fight (including a battle rez and occasional heal).

Anyways, you can already tell that they are not devoting a tremendous amount of the item budget on int, it's the most minuscule stat in this set.

Комментарий от Thottbot

2 pieces of tier 4, feral druid, i got healing,(mostly blues 3 epics), dps (all epics), and tanking gear(half epics some blues)

i can main tank grulls and kara and i enjoy doing so, but my guild wants to get other tanks geared, what do i do

"BOOMKIN!" jkjkjkjk

instead i say, here give it a go, i pop my dps gear and valaa im dpsing in cat usualy second on charts

and btw if u wana check my armory
wildwind USA magtheridon,
just with mark of the wild i hit around 3k ap in cat (dps gear of course)

and no spirit does not help in raiding at all for a feral druid, for when ur dpsing and u need to throw a heal on urself so the main healers can focus on the tank (if ur not that tank) the little into on malorne DOES help feral druids shouldnt have more then 6k mana,

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Комментарий от Thottbot

Hi all,

Just a question...

I'm currently geared with pre-kara armor etc. (heavy clefthoof armnor, etc etc.

Hopw do you make sure you maintain your +defense rating, since we druids still need to be uncrittable right?

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