I have been looking at the AH for months because I have been too lazy to farm this boss for the Ace. It hasn't been up since I have been looking. Since this instance is done much less often since TBC came out, you would be able to mark this card up significantly. On my low population server, I know about a dozen people looking for this card simply for use in arena.

Комментарий от 43040

Just to confirm your statements regarding this card.

You HAVE to kill Rattlegore, and you HAVE to kill the six bosses in order for Gandling to spawn.

I ran Scholomance 23 times. Did a couple of them back to back. Some where FULL KILL runs, and the card never dropped. (I actually got the Shadowcraft Cap on my 15th run. So it's probably just my luck.) I wond up buying this card on the AH for 290g.

Look at the comparison below and then make your mind up as to whether you REALLY WANT this card's trinket reward. It is after all just 10% chance to resurrect. Lunacy and Furies both give +51 stamina along with their special ability, and both have a better chance to complete the deck than this portals deck. The elementals Deck has done me wonders in both PvP and PvE with that one loose running away and then bam: 314 nature damage for the kill.

Why do I have it then? Being able to complete the 2-8 of portals in the AH for about 30-35g was a good starting incentive. After that though, attaining this last card becomes an obsession. You don't want to pay the 250+ gold since you bought the others so cheaply, and you don't want to give up because you feel the ability to resurrect your own self in combat is a surprise worth giving. But now that I have: I see the lack of other abilities I can have and use from other trinkets, and that "surprise worth giving" is a BIG heart breaker when you don't fall in that 10% chance to resurrect for that 1% kill.

Comparing the other cards to this one:

Ace of Portals: 1 mob: (Darkmaster Gandling)
Ace of Beast: 1 mob: (The Beast)
Ace of Blessings: 14 mobs
Ace of Elementals: 5 mobs
Ace of Furies: 15 mobs
Ace of Lunacy: 15 mobs
Ace of Storms: 14 mobs
Ace of Warlords: 1 mob: (King Gordok)

2-8 of Portals: Average of 200 known mobs drop each one.
2-8 of Beast: Average of 200 known mobs drop each one.
2-8 of Blessings: Average of 100 known mobs drop each one.
2-8 of Elementals: Average of 200 known mobs drop each one.
2-8 of Furies: Average of 100 known mobs drop each one.
2-8 of Lunacy: Average of 100 known mobs drop each one.
2-8 of Storms: Average of 100 Known mobs drop each one.
2-8 of Warlords: Average of 200 known mobs drop each one.

Комментарий от 43040

No. You are wrong about the forever part. Unlike the Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon. The Darkmoon Card: Twisting Nether is not comparable, let alone to be thought as useful forever.

To understand this, think of the following:

You have a 10% chance upon DEATH, to resurrect yourself at 20% health and mana. You falling within that 10% is not guaranteed, and requires you to die in order to have the 10% chance accessible. So your getting 10% resurrection chance whenever you DIE, with very little health and mana; is not entirely useful. (BTW: I did an AB just to die continuously - AND NEVER HAD THE CARD PROC THE 10%). <<That was a lot of deaths.

Also consider that in PvP, you normally get waited on while your body is still red - no different than being Soul Stoned. And in PvE - unless questing alone - you have ressers and spirit walks, you still suffer the 10% equipment damage from Mob Death; you are loosing the benefit of having used another trinket before your death (most obvious when the card does NOT proc) and even if you are the last to die with the card granting you the resurrection: all agro has been reset - which allows the mobs (bosses too) to regen there health to max.

Now, with the Blue Dragon you have 2% chance PER successful spell cast to regen your mana at 100% for 15 seconds. (Kind of like regenerating while not in combat.) Since it has NO Cool Down - >>Click: Blue Dragon Aura - you can have a rolling restart on the trinkets affect EVERY TIME you have have a successful spell cast. Instant cast, timed casts, any cast that is successful; you get the chance for the trinkets affect.

In PvP that means you use less mana to cast your good spells. In PvE that means you use less mana to cast your good spells AND you may pot less.

The only other Darkmoon cards that are level 60, that could be considered as "forever"; would be (from greater to lesser) Darkmoon Card: Maelstrom and Darkmoon Card: Heroism.

Though I have no personal experience with Heroism. Maelstrom has proc'd numerous times for me within PvP and PvE. It has proc'd against players 10 levels above me. It has proc'd on 5 mans. It has proc'd on Raid Bosses. And it has proc'd A LOT of times within each fight.

I still have the Twisting Nether card (spent to much time getting it to throw it away). But consider it a waste of time, effort, and gold to attain. Maybe if it had a +Ability of some sort, or was not so difficult to get; it may be worth the time. But other than that ever happening: stick to getting the other level 60 cards, as they are redealy available and provide better usefull attributes.

Комментарий от 43040

Jomper:

Considering it will be as useful to a level 80 player when WotLK is release as it is to a level 70 right now and level 60 players back in the day, I don't see how you can remotely say it can't be thought as a useful forever card...

That is because:

You have a 10% chance upon DEATH, to resurrect yourself at 20% health and mana. You falling within that 10% is not guaranteed, and requires you to die in order to have the 10% chance accessible. So your getting 10% resurrection chance whenever you DIE, with very little health and mana; is not entirely useful.

10% does NOT mean 1 out of every 10 deaths. It means 10% CHANCE at every death.

In any WoW event that you can imagine, having 10% chance to resurrect after you die is outweighed by the other abilities from cards that proc throughout your living cycle. Maelstrom has proc'ed 5 times in ONE fight. That at minimum is 1000 damage. Even if it procs once per fight, that is still at minimum 200 extra damage. If the card were to proc every other fight, that would still outweigh the Twisting Nether. Why?

Because what you are not considering is that you do not actively seek to die. You attempt to stay alive throughout your game play. As a result, you get better returns from a trinket that is continuously used through longer game play duration, than from one that is used (on percent chance) the seldom times that you die.

(BTW: I did an AB just to die continuously - AND NEVER HAD THE CARD PROC THE 10%). <<That was a lot of deaths.

Were I being active within the AB, the amount of deaths would have been a whole lot less. The amount of time that I would have spent alive, would have gained the AB group more benefit if my trinket slot were occupied with something other than the Twisting Nether.

The above only deals with use, and I have not re-touched the current difficulty level of attaining the one card of the bunch: Ace of Portals. Simply refer to the second post for that information.

Комментарий от phoi

I don't understand why jomper keeps getting down-rated for stating a fact, the deck IS just as useful to a level 70 as a level 60. Whether or not you personally find one trink or another more useful is entirely unrelated to what he has been saying.

Due to the difficulty of getting the ace for this particular deck, the value on the AH has remained close to it's pre-BC price on my server, and I can only imagine it has on others. If you do not find this deck useful to your class or play style, you should be able to appreciate the profit you could potentially gain on the AH.

Комментарий от 43040

...that could be considered as "forever"; would be...

I am aware of the scaling. Same would go for mob nature resistances. However, proc rate and deck availability would still make it a worthwhile card, while Twisting still would not be for those same reasons. Twisting is a... an illusionary card. The ideal is great, but the actual use isn't do to its dependability to occur.

*edited for clarification.

Комментарий от 15462

I soloed scholo for this card on my rogue, and lucky me, after the 2 or so hours it took me because of constant messups with the mobs that turn into shades that are immune to physical damage, I finally killed gandling and bam it dropped. Everyone's gonna hate me because I got it on my first try but hey.

I have a druid partner who has this card already. He's turned 3 games this week into wins because he popped back up after he was focus fired down and healed me.

However you look at this, this card will be useful all the way up to the point where blizzard throws the nerfbat at it.

Комментарий от Thottbot

great... i know that there are 8 i need to collect along with an ace but could some1 please tell me the item it creates:)? specifically for mages plz but im geussing other classes will ask the same question...

Комментарий от Thottbot

The full set of these cards gives the following:

Darkmoon Card: Twisting Nether
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 60
Equip: Gives the wearer a 10% chance of being able to resurrect with 20 health and mana.
Sells for 10 Gold to vendors
Item Level 66

Комментарий от Thottbot

i am a priest i think i would pwn with this set up i just need ace have all other cards i am on dunemaul horde side plz leave a notice and i'll find a way to buy thank u

Комментарий от Thottbot

Does the trinket you get have a cool down? or can it proc 5 times in a row in av?

Комментарий от Thottbot

To the guys asking about the cooldown...

THere's a shaman on my server who has this...He died in a BG, res'd with his self-res spell...died again right after, res'd on the trinket proc, died...res'd AGAIN on the trinket proc. These were back-to-back incidents...and the same guy killed him 3x in a row. That's a big rofflecopter in my book.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Gandling dropped Ace of Portals, Lightforge Helm & Headmaster's Charge on my last run. I wanted the Charge sooo bad (60 lock), but I lost it with a 98 to my friend (priest) who got a 100, & won the Ace. It's okay, I <3 her & all. lol Steamwheedle Cartel, Alliance side. Char's name is Faerlina... debating on whether to sell it alone or make the deck & sell that.

Комментарий от Thottbot

the ace of portals is more expensive than the entire deck on the AH. just buy the deck.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Comments are supposed to deal with completing quests attaining items and defeating mobs. Not Which Card Your Character NEEDS! If you need a card watch the AH or get yourself a group and GET IT! Please don't waste everyones time posting what you've got or need!

Комментарий от Thottbot

just picked it up in ah for 10g roflmao

Комментарий от Thottbot

I'm a lvl 70 tauren warrior on Thunderhorn and i have it, it's awesome for pvp and arena, can't tell you how many ppl i've tricked with it. I've had alli's log on to their horde alts just to ask how i came back to life. it's double proc'd on prince's enfeeble when i died and even triple proc'd once in AV which is a 1/1000 chance. definitely worth the 300g i paid for it.

Комментарий от Thottbot

So there is no cooldown? It just has a 10% chance EVERY time you die?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

If anyone on Kil'Jaedan has this I'd like to buy... message me in-game or send me a mail or something... PLEAAAAASSEEE

Sparta: Horde Warlock

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Buying this on The Venture Co server, horde side. Contact Denok.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

WTB on the Shandris server, Alliance side. Shandris just opened up for transfers so maybe someone will come that has it, PST Monak.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

pst rafons on the malygos server for how much you would like to sell for

Комментарий от Allakhazam

how much is this thing worth?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Looking to buy the ace of portals. im on the server Khadgar, and my characters name is Darkblazier

Комментарий от Allakhazam

WTB THIS ON SERVER : EREDAR
NAME : VICKSUPER

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Would like to buy the Ace of Portals. Paying 225 gold on the Kilrogg server, Alliance side. Please in game mail to Redchin and I will get back to you as soon as I can.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

IF anyone on Burning Blade has it i will buy it and i need so bad i still havent gotten my first epic at 55 and i want to be ready at 60 with a bangin trinket

Комментарий от Allakhazam

oops

Edited, Nov 1st 2006 at 11:07am PST by hiddenletters

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Buying this on Alliance Side Emerald Dream. PST Airelle. 3/13/2007

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Dreamfall on EU The Venture Co (Horde). is after this card, if you find it, i'll pay for it well.

9/12/05

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Only need this one for Portals, and only need the Ace for Beasts too. Ppl onmy server try to charge like 700 gold for this baby, but it never sells until they bring it down.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

The droprate isn't as low as it says here on allakhazam. It's just that the darkmoon cards were introduced in a much more recent patch than the other items in his loot table, and that is why it appears to have such a low drop rate. I estimate it to drop about one in ten times, if not more.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I'd like to buy this on Sentinels, name of Barthas. Trying to get the Ace and the 5 before the Faire leaves town. Please send me a mail if you have one, thanks :)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Where did you find the card?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

If u find one of these on Deathwing(Alliance) im paying WELL for it and its the only one i need!TY

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Won with a roll of 90.

Sold for 330G, im happy.

Edited, Sun Mar 19 22:47:33 2006

Комментарий от Allakhazam

WTB it on Vek'nilash alliance side
/w Kasper

Комментарий от Allakhazam

WTB the ace on stormreaver horde side pst gpsychostoo 250g.... Or u can cod ingame mail it to me :)

Edited, Jan 27th 2008 2:04pm by gpsychos

Комментарий от Allakhazam

im on Dragonmaw horde, would like to buy this from a fellow player (alliance works too just contact me in miRc)

peace

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I've ran Scholo probably about 5-6 times total, of those times the ace dropped twice, and both times I won with a roll of 98. The rest of the deck cost me 45g the first time and 55g the second time. Got 2 Portals Decks sitting in my bank right now :)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Buying this Alliance Side on Gurubashi pst/msg Thelink.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Dropped in Scholo on my third run

Edited, Oct 20th 2008 4:54pm by itsysprokit

Комментарий от Allakhazam

ive heard that it can also drop in hellfire ramparts......is that tru?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

WTB on Shattered Halls server (horde side)
Player name is: Aden

Paying well - C.o.D or mail me in game for offer.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Getting invited to a Raid that is on the last boss in Scholomance - 1min
Getting to scholomance - 15min
Killing the boss - 5min
Winning the Roll of Ace of Beast - 1min
HSing to IF - 1min
Selling it for 200g - 1min

easyest money I ever have made:D

Комментарий от Allakhazam

im on the shatteredhand server and i want to buy the ace of portals send me an in game tell or email me just do something to contact me and we will work out a pirce. ally plz help out too we can meet in winterspring ad sell over the ah

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Damn, i've just got the last item from Scholo tht i wanted... WH Cowl.. and NOW THIS! argh

well it never dropped those 20 times i killed to my cowl.. so lets how many kills this is guna take.

/cry

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Looking to buy ace of portals from someone on the warsong server. pst tinrack for more details on price.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

WTB ACE OF PORTAL SERVER ANVILMAR NAmE AVIOUS

Комментарий от Allakhazam

My character name is Bereye and I am on the Wildhammer server. I want to buy an Ace of Portals to complete the Portals Deck. Please PST me.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Willin gto buy this on Dragonblight horde side pst or mail Mayhemm

Комментарий от Allakhazam

WTB ace of portals server:WINDRUNNER whisper either outcast or woohoo :)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I hate to be the one to break the news, but in the last month, I've been running guild runs in UBRS, and I have seen both the Ace of Beasts,AND the Ace of Portals drop from The Beast in Upper Blackrock Spire.

Wonder how that affects the price on my server? they go for around 200 or less gold now.....

I play on Thunderlord as this same name, level 60 human lock

Edited, Wed Sep 21 14:01:01 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

In about the five-seven times I've ran Scholo, it's dropped three times, and the third time I won it. Sold it for 300g.

I guess three is really my lucky number, eh?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

im on Dragonmaw horde, would like to buy this from a fellow player (alliance works too just contact me in miRc)

peace

Комментарий от Allakhazam

on stormreaver, post me if you want to buy it

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I got it today in a 10 man raid in Scholo. How lucky am I.

I put it in Ah for 299G / 350G buyout.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I play a 60 hunter on Thunderhorn-EU.

Just won this card in a Scholo PUG a few days ago. My jaw hit the floor when I saw it pop up on the loot table. Despite the Twisting Nether Card being applicable to any class, all the rest passed just because I only said "I need portals deck for the darkmoon card". Hard to believe they believed I wasnt going to sell it for 300g at the AH.

Bought out all the cards at the IF AH within 10mins of hearthing and finished the set. Cost me less than 75g to get 2-8 of portals. Now all I got to do is wait for it to come to elwynn

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Looking to buy this on Sentinels. Trying to get the Ace and the 5 before the faire leaves town. Please send me a mail if you have one, thanks :)

Sorry if I double posted =/

Edited, Sep 5th 2007 1:25pm by BladeWrifter

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