I've been using the Heroism Deck for quite sometime. 120-180 healing isn't all that great, but having it proc 2-3 times does stack up. Problem some people might see is that many melee classes have 4+ thousand Health, so 120-180 isn't much at all.

Cute little trinket, but try to find something else to fill the slot.

Комментарий от 9590

This item is just ok for anyone who is doing meelee damage. The 120 to 180 really isn't a whole lot, even though it might stack a couple times. As the comment before said, this trinket is just ok, and for someone with a lot of health... especially tanks, it's not worth spending your time getting or buying.

Комментарий от 6020

The proc percentage on this thing is not as often as I'd like, I was using this along with the https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=20034 Crusader Enchant, and Crusader would proc WAY more than this card. All in all it's "ok" but not really worth it in my opinion as there are a lot of better / more useful trinkets out there.

Комментарий от 433

This item is a very nice trinket for those with fast attacks, instant attacks, and tanks. I recommend this item for fury warriors that cannot expect healing (battlegrounds, for example), Soloing/grinding rogues, and reckoning paladins. While the amount healed is small, it will add up over time and can surely save your life as well as take stress off of your healer if you are in a party.

I heard that there is an item in Burning Crusade that offers a similar effect but comes with stats, but I do not know its name

Комментарий от MetalGenocide

This is one of the better trinkets out there, even into BC. It procs very often (3-4 times a fight with a 2h sword) and heals mostly between 125 and 160 but I have seen it proc at 180 a couple of times and even crit heal for 297. The amount healed does not seem to matter what weapon is used like some trinkets and abilities do, which makes it all the better for duel wielding.

Комментарий от 116387

Does anyone know if this card will proc off a shield spike or Retribution Aura? I was thinking about using it for AoE grinding on my prot pally. Maybe acting like an additional seal of light.

Комментарий от 130037

Any idea whether this has any valuable amount of added threat for a 60ish tank? Or is it not worth the trouble?

Feral druid, just to be thorough.

Комментарий от 158828

I'm currently saving for it because I've already got https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=31193, https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=31756 enchanted with https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=20032, and https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27921. I'm a rogue so all the procs help out a lot. I still hate pallies though. lol

Комментарий от Thottbot

i got it. procs pretty often, sometimes it procs 3 times in a row and sometimes it never procs. but it's really good. saved me lots of time :D

Комментарий от Thottbot

i tested this out cause i was curious about that msyelf. Had this card equipped, complete set of valor, and crusader on Iron foe. Kept them on while messing with elites in Swamp of Sorrows. Best proc was as follows....

Ironfoe hit and proc crusader and the valor i believe.
3extra hits from Ironfoe CRIT, 2 of which procd all THREE of the enchantments and the last one which just proc'd crusader again. I know that is pretty unbelievable...i was in AWE! I wish i would have grabbed a screenshot of my combat log to prove it.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Does it proc in druid cat form?

Комментарий от Thottbot

While attacking in melee this card can heal on average around 400HP per minute. Lifestone restores 10 health/5 secs. Heroism on average restores 33.33 health/5 secs while attacking. This is when you really need it. Restoring health out of combat is only good to reduce down time and most of the time you'll be at full health anyway. If you want the extra health per second then just get a trolls blood pot, that will do even more than the Lifestone and is extremely cheap to make.

I recently gathered the cards for my feral druid for around 170g on Frostmourne. The 1.00 speed cat form attacks make this quite useful. Not as good as a rogue with dual wield daggers but it's still good. It's also good in bear form to generate that extra bit of aggro.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Awesome trinket. Procrate is awesome, it can proc up to 4-6 times during a single fight...and it also can not proc at all.

What I'm curiouse about is, does is work in PVP aswell? I assume it does since it dosn't say anything about only working on some race. Has somebody tested it out?

Thanks in advance, Roxy @ Lightning's blade.

Комментарий от Thottbot

On a sample test, out of 2402 hits, the card procced 276 times. That's roughly 11.5%. It's really helpful.

276/2402 = 11.5%

Комментарий от Thottbot

So, this item heals. Can its actual heal have an increased effect from other items that increase damage/healing or healing effects from spells and abilities by X? Any1 who knows, post on here, cause if it works, then we could grab 1 healing neck and couple of healing rings, and have an increased healing effect from 120-180 to a lot more, depending on the quality of the trinkets.

Комментарий от Thottbot

proc per minute, or %age per hit to get the effect?

Someone said 10%. Can anyone confirm this?

Комментарий от Thottbot

I tested this out in BRD, with about 26 min of fighting on ProcWatch. I averaged between 6-7 procs per min. We can say 6/min to be safe, even if it healed for the very minimum, which is rarely does, that is still 720hp/min.

Комментарий от Thottbot

If you're doing PvP or party/raid PvE then you should stay clear from heal proc items. Getting more damage will be much more benificial to you and your raid.

Where heal proc items really shine, is for Rogues/Warriors when they are solo grinding. The loss you take in damage, is made up for by having little to none down-time between fights (in party/raids, you will get heals during downtime).

The best pre-TBC gear for a solo grinding rogue is 8 part Bloodfang (for the heal proc), dual lifesteal enchants on weapons, Darkmoon Card: Heroism and Shard of flame. It doesn't gimp your damage that much, but it takes away most of the downtime of solo-grinding.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I am a 60 rogue and do MC weekly. I am currently collecting this set because my guild prefers to have the MINIMAL downtime as possible. So i am thinking, since rogues are basically on the poor end when it comes to heals, that this will be extremely helpful to healers so they dont have to waste mana casting heals when we could be clearing.

Комментарий от Thottbot

finally something we can agree on

Комментарий от Thottbot

This card is great for grinding, either xp or just mobs for gold. Together with lifestealing, my bloodfang set bonus heal and Essence infused mushroom I have no downtime at all when grinding xp with my rogue. :)

Комментарий от Thottbot

... can you please .. all of you .. stop throwing around with random percentage numbers as the aproximated proc chance. IT DOES NOT have a certain proc chance, I'll say it once more

EVERY SINGLE PROC without the amount of percentage actually WRITTEN on it is NORMALIZED to the specific weapon

fast - lower proc rate
slow - higer proc rate

comprende?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Every single porc in the game has a PPM (Proc per minute) and NOT a percentage. for example, Lifestealing = 6 PPM, Fiery = 5 PPM, and crusader only 1 PPM. I just got this card and I want to know the bloody PPM!

To get the trinket, get all the cards or buy them, or u can just get the Warlords Deck right away... Hand it in to the guy at the Faire.

Комментарий от Thottbot

yea seems pretty good for rouges and if u combine with duel crusader even better(tho they nerfed crusader)

Комментарий от Thottbot

Need Info:
Does the whitedamage from a shieldthorns block qualify as "damaging in melee" ?

Would be great trinket for protection palies.

Комментарий от Thottbot

It's alright, but now with BC out https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27920/знак-покорения is both free and better.

Комментарий от Thottbot

like, can you have this trinket and the elemental card trinket on you on the same time? you can't wear 2x of the same, but does that effect all cards?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Yes, I have both Heroism and maelstrom on my druid and both proc.

Комментарий от Thottbot

This thing is affected by +healing, apparently.

My paladin in tier 3 gear and a few +healing rings and other equips had it proc for around 500ish.

Edit: I had about 1k spell healing, so I'd guess it receives around 40%?

Комментарий от Thottbot

this + mental quickness = awesome

Комментарий от Thottbot

As a Warrior, I absolutely love this trinket while grinding. It's got a permanent spot in my solo gear setup.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Well, it can be wonderful for Fury Warriors in solo :) Bloodthirst+BloodCraze+This :D:D:D

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This Trinket walks hand in hand with this one Знак Покорения a nice amount good for rogue with fast weapons. Really helps when grinding.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Currently I get 1 proc per 15 hits, at 1 hit per second. Or by calculation an estimated 3.8 proc's/minute.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

In 1732 swings, it proc'd 132 times (7.6%).
My average proc/minute was 3.7.
http://www.ihostphotos.com/show.php?id=198756

Комментарий от Allakhazam

since there's a LOT of different opinions on how often this one procs,
how much it heals, etc .. here's a small short video,
that will definately get you up to speed, just on how good this one is:

http://files.sisterhoodoflillith.com/world_of_warcraft_-_crusader_enchant.wmv
and yes, it's both crusader and the darkmoon card involved in the test.

Edited, Tue Nov 8 17:06:46 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Why is there a question about it working with Ranged Weapons? The text clearly says "Sometimes heals bearer of 120 to 180 damage when damaging an enemy in melee."

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I want to get this AND Maelstrom for double procing. Not only that, I want Crusder on both my swords, Full Bloodfang for 8/8 proc and Thunderfury on my offhand for it's proc. That is a total of 6 procs. Get +3% attack speed on your equipment (1% on 3 of them) Then you add Imrpoved SnD and Blade Flurry... and you got yourself the God of Procs set. The only way I could make it better is get improved poison talents and get a fast mainhand for increased speed but it's better if get you a slow mainhand for increased SS damage. Oh ya, and of course poisons add to the proc damage. :)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

So, it really does proc? Because I noticed that a lot of my lower level purples just don't want to do what they say they do. Claw of the Shadowmancer (blue, I know) did shadow damage maybe 5 times over several levels, and although my Dazzling Longsword liked to throw faerie fire around a bit, I just don't see how 100-200 health could be that beneficial to a 60+ unless it really did it a lot. O_o (Although as a hunter, not really doing much melee, and I understand that this is really geared towards poor warriors with no priests.)

I mean, what percentage of your health would that be?

That being said, it looks like the overall reviews are positive ones... So, if you're on Dalaran, there's a Warlords deck in the ah waiting for you right now. :D

Комментарий от Allakhazam

It is almost on par with healing from crusader enchant. I have both and a UI that tracks things and it comes a little bit below crusader heals. its quite nice.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I have this and I can't say it's epic quality, it heals sometimes and even gets reduced healing by mortal strike (which really suck, but kinda obvious)
I'd rather have another trinket in the slot than this to be honest.

Gonna try the maelstrom trinket and see if it is better than this one ;)

edit: Oh yeah I forgot to mention; this trinket is much better in pve than in pvp, because in pve you wont get stunned to oblivion by most of the mobs allowing you to heal alot more (since you get more hits in on your opponent), making it excel in pve and allows you to have much less downtime between mobs (sucky in raids though since you will get heals anyway from your healers)

But in PvP you will get more stunned and less hits in on your opponent and you would rather have something that does damage so you can get your opponent down fast or something more usefull than a heal now and then, this is strictly speaking as rogue though :p

Edited, Fri Nov 4 01:38:16 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I only miss Ace of Warlords from having the entire deck. I think it will be nice to have in PvE. Would be even nicer if it would stack with The Demonforged Breastplate's 3% Chance Drain Life;)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Yes, I'm a dumbass for wasting time and money getting this trinket...
Excuse: The Tool-Tip was misleading...

I made a Ticket to GM about this, they aren't giving me a refund into its original deck, and the reason is that "At this point in time, Ranged Damage does not count as Physical Damage and it is unsure whether this should Proc with Ranged Damage." Yes yes... 450 gold down the drain, and a stupid Tool-Tip! Bah:'(

I AM a Hunter btw...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

From official site

The Darkmoon Card: Heroism and Aegis of Preservation trinkets will no longer receive bonuses to the healing they grant from any + healing items the wearer might have.

In addition, in Patch 1.7 all item based self heals will no longer be effected by equipment that provides bonuses to healing. This change affects both the Arcanite Champion and the Crusader Enchantment.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

this trinket is much better for warriors and tnakers that need to hold as much agression as they can... with less heals they can hold it much better. rogues, hunters, and other damage classes should focus on just that, damage. be the dps you're hired to be in the groups not the servivable all in 1 group. get malestrom if your damage, twisted nether if your a rezzer, if your a damage caster go for the one the beast deck makes for mana regeneration.

the only ones that should use this are paladins or warriors that are acting as tankers for a group. it helps them hold a mob better and gives them more of a survival chance when overwhelmed with mobs.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

DOES critheal :)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Thanks to the queer Darkmoon schedule I was not able to turn the deck in until yesterday. I then went and tested it out versus a bunch of mobs, about an hour's worth of soloing.

Best I can tell the proc rate is 2/min and it is based on your melee swings. So 300 healed about, every minute of fighting.

Pretty underwhelming if you ask me.

H

Комментарий от Allakhazam

lol, heroism doesnt suck. I've killed a full healthed full mana rank 11 druid while i was at 280 health, he moonfires i hit crusader + heroism proc, I hit again herosim procs, and again crusader im at 1.2k health by the time the druid dies from procing.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I just got my deck made and I have to wait until next month to turn it in and see if it works w/ranged and what it's proc rate is.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Does blizzard have to nerf everything, was looking forward to getting the heals up to about 400 with hide of the wild and other goodies and also get Crusader enchant on my Hammer of the Grand Crusader, but then they have to nerf away everything good about +healing to effects.

/CRY!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

do you need reputation to turn in the set?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Does anyone know if this will work for a hunter's ranged "attack"? It doesn't say melee only, but we know how vague wording can me.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

man that is an fine item i never get down
i have two swords with livesucking this card and an Lifestone...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

full bloodfang, 2xlifesteal and this ;)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

So, does anyone know rougly any info on the proc rate?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This one or Maelstrom for rogues?

Edited, Sat Oct 22 12:25:06 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Can anyone tell me if this trinket will proc while in cat/bear forms?

I know weapon procs do not work while in forms but the tooltip says this is an "equip" bonus instead of usual "chance on hit".

I do not want to spend hard-earned gold on a useless item.

Edited, Wed Apr 19 05:30:36 2006

Комментарий от Allakhazam

does this have a hidden cooldown like windfury or such? if it doesnt this would kill for a enh shammy going full blast.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Do you have to visit the faire first and get some sort of Q etc to start finding the cards? or can u just go and grind mobs and find em

Комментарий от Allakhazam

In 100 normal melee hits with my rogue it procced 16times.. i would think that the "secret procrate" of this item is like 15% or something.. kinda much

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I've completed my warlords deck, and now I'm waiting for the faire to open once more. I'm not sure what to keep, what to replace, what not to use. I'm a 60 rogue, my talent tree is 12/31/8 if that means anything to you (except that precision plus my gloves gives me and extra 7% chance to hit). My trinkets are:

Seal of Elde'Thalas
Darkmoon Card: Maelstrom
Darkmoon Card: Twisting Nether
Lifestone
Frostwolf Insignia Mark 4
Blackhand's Breadth
Insignia of the Horde

Could anyone advise me on what to use? Any advice would be appreciated, thank you.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I would not choose this over Maelstrom, even for taking. The dmg done by the other trinket is much more then what this heals for, and does full dmg since it is Nature dmg, not physical. THAT trinket will hold aggro easier, not this one.

Inless you specificaly want the healing, which a 120heal proc shouldn't make or break any battle, this trinket is a waste.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Which Cards makes this?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

It acts as if a "Life steal" enchant is set on any melee weapon you wear, and with 120-180, it represents 4-6 times the 30hp drain from life-stealing enchant, but i assume the occurency of the special effect is less than for the enchant. And you can have a "real" enchant weapon put as well, like fiery of icy weapon !

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Dual Lifesteal + this = gg

Комментарий от Allakhazam

im pretty sure this is melee attacks only

got 3 of warlords. now i gotta get the rest =P. damn this is nice for rogues

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Warlords Deck gives this item.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Ive seen people say its healed for more than it says....... does equipment that increases healing done by spells and effects increase this? If so this has more of an advantage on healing classes, and not melee.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Question: Does this proc in feral form hihi

regards Mani

Комментарий от Allakhazam

can somebody please verify if this gets +healing effects at all?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

the trinket procs when u get hit

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Any hard data yet?

Proc rate?

Does it proc when you attack or deal damage, or does it proc when you are attacked or take damage?

TIA
H

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I wonder if this card can proc with offensive spell and if so , does it can proc at every tick of my blizzard and moreover on every target ?
I got the ace of warlord for few gold . it may worth the try but it s still bit expensive in case it doesnt work . XD

ps:I maxed a bit my +spell item so if it could stack as well that would be awesome

Edited, Mon Aug 15 10:07:37 2005

Комментарий от mrpoolman

I have this trinket on my warrior and use it when solo farming low level mobs because it allows me to have close to 0 down time. It procs fairly often (Weapon speed 2.7/2.5) and generally heals me around 170 HP. I payed around 60 gold for all the cards so I'd say it was worth it for my niche uses. I don't think it would be worth anything in dungeon/ raid content however.

Комментарий от r4z0r84

as for Proc rates etc all complained about below, this trinket has no internal cd and can proc off of each melee attack you do, this means you can pull an entire instance in berserker stance, spam ww+cleave and get around 6 chances every second or so to proc this trinket, effectively can't die if you have enough avoidance. sitting at around 70% avoidance and this trinket I can pull all of SM Cath including the boss(just kill him last if you're gonna pull him) and not dip below 90% hp.

because parry haste effects your current swing timer when you have so many mobs on you your attack speed can get down to 0.1 or so basically allowing you to spam ww and cleave every 0.1 seconds and doing like 800 dps as deep prot.

very underrated trinket imho.

Комментарий от PilsnerDk

For those curious, it does not scale with +Healing gear. Tested with a paladin with around 800 healing power.

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