The simple solution on plate distribution:

If it's got stats for tanking (dodge, block, parry, +defense), warriors should get a preference. If it's got stats for healing (int, mana regen, +healing), paladins should get a preference.

"PvP Stats" (strength, stamina, agility, +crit) should be considered useful to >>both<< classes, and no preference given to either in rolling.

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if you ask me, warriors shouldn't be allowed to get this..the int would be put to waste if a warrior got it. plus, in MC/BWL most guilds use DKP so a pally would most likely get it even if a warrior had more dkp.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Do Warriors have mana?

NEXT!

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Im a warrior myself and I wouldnt take these unless all paladins who wanted them in my guild allredy had them, currently im using the Cloudkeeper legplates.

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I'm a warrior and I personally wouldn't be interested in these. I mean, they have nice stats but, come on, I'd rather have Bloodsoaked Legplates over these.

Комментарий от Thottbot

No guild would let a warrior spend dkp on this.
Any warriors saying that they will have roll on this obviously has never and will never enter BWL, MC even. And these dont drop for horde, they get

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=46214

and

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=49708

Horde gets shaman only items and alliance get paladin only items, clear indication that these are for paladins.

Warriors please STFU, especially since most of you arent in raiding guilds youll never see this drop.
IF you are in a raiding guild, youd know ANY plate with INT goes to paladin. You wouldnt even be allowed to spend dkp on it to get kicked out of a guild in the first place. Unless of course all Paladins already had it,its out of bounds.
Oh yeah, and for the guy who said "too bad blizz made the best warrior dps legs with int on them"

you sir are a ^&*!ing idiot. first of all the rank 12 legs are the best warrior dps legs. second off dont lie about owning these, unless youre in a guild who farms at least up to firemaw and every paladin already owns this. just my 2 cents

Комментарий от Thottbot

Lot of pointless flaming here, these leggings are just like COD.

They're fair game for most warriors, as paladins don't even want them (judgement is better).

Anyway, if you think a BWL raiding guild won't give these to a warrior you're sadly mistaken.

Inspect Sphere on haomorush for proof of this.

Комментарий от Thottbot

We dont need stm and str and agi right?

how the $%^& are we supposed to kill something then? with buff ahoy? go back and play your warrior and get your valor you ^&*!ing idiot. coz thats prolly the best thing your noob ass guild will ever see.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Paladins should get priority.

If all Paladins have it already, then it moves on to Warriors.

-Nuboi, 60 Human Warrior on Garithos

Комментарий от Thottbot

Eh? Why paladins should not roll on weapon which they can benefit with all its stats? If youre defending that idea, that means you have "no" idea what does hybrid class mean.

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Not trying to be rude, but I really am tired of the "this benefits a warrior more" argument. EVERYTHING seems to benefit a warrior more. Be it a leather/mail/plate item, no matter the stats or who it's geared to, if it's damage, a warrior will want it, and will argue day and night about how they should be entitled to it.

Seriously guys, you all seem hell bent on pushing pallies all the way to the bottom of the priority list for any sort of damage gear despite what the item is tailored for. I know some of you will bring up the "but pallies bid on Askandi/UTB/Spinal" argument, but a 2 hander is our primary attack, we even started out with a 2 handed mace. And we can use all the stats on almost any weapon. What should we be carying? A mining pick and Sacred Protector? Because you want Herald of Woe for the strength and Malistar's Defender for the armor? It's almost as if you allow us to take those since mace spec sucks and there's better shields for warriors. This isn't World of Warriorcraft, get over yourselves.

Just because you think you can DPS the hell out of something with it, doesn't mean it should only go to you because you think you can get the most out of it. Well, you can't make the best use out of these pants, it has intellect. Please call it a night and go bid on bloodsoaked legs from ZG. They really were tailored for the warrior class, heck they even match with your ZG reputation quest chestpiece. These are paladin legguards.

I like the way you think. Defense/Dodge/Block/Parry are huge warrior stats for PvE, just like Int/Mana regen/Healing are huge pally stats for PvE. The rest is gravy, but equally important for BOTH classes. Considering this has int (+17 int is nothing to brush off), I really don't see why warriors should get this. And if you do, maybe you won't mind if I grab the next plate item introduced into the game that has some sort of rage regen.

And before anyone asks, I'm specced holy, with 4/8 judgement and the rest LB, a Lok'amir il Romathis with +55 healing enchant and a Malistar's Defender. I know what to do in a raid. But if I'm PvPing, I'm wearing these pants and holding a 2 hander. I sure as hell won't be healing any horde to death. I'll be hitting them.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Yes, our Tier 2 legs drop off of Rag, just like yours do. If your in a guild that would give these to a warrior over a paladin if said Paladin has more DKP than said Warrior, your guild is horrible. If you use the loot counsil system, I have no idea how you deal with the drama.

Yes, i'll agree that paladins don't do DPS in MC/BWL/AQ. I'm a 60 paladin myself, and an 33/0/18, and I have these legs and the Judgement legs. Did you ever think that a Paladin might want it for grinding or PvP? There is almost NO plate that has +intellect and +agility on it. However, there is a TON of +str and +agi plate for warriors. Yes, being a Holy Paladin I love the +Spell Damage. However, i'd also like some crit potential while grinding silithid carapaces or doing PvP.

I'm sure the sacrafice of 43 +damage/healing on the Judgement Belt and Legs for more +str and +agi on the Fallen Crusader garb won't hurt me that much. I have a 6300 mana pool unbuffed, i'll live with that. The extra % crit from agi and the extra +AP from Str will provide more than 43 spell damage would from holy shock and the judgements through out the fight.

So please don't tell a paladin what to do unless you are one, and know what your talking about. Also, you spell your name with a Z at the end. GG

Комментарий от Thottbot

i have np with the warriors biding on these legs(im a paly)
if they want to wast dkp on something that sux balls for them,fine by me

and when Askandi drops, a paly will have the highest dkp, and go home with one of the best weps in the game.

but i know all the real raiding warriors out there wont ever bid/roll on something like this, just like a palys would let dps warriors have the Askandi, u all need to remember, the vast majority of ppl posting on this site are a bunch of low lvl nubs who wont ever see a endgame boss drop.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Well this dicussion is quite useless

i'm a paladin, i have em....

only reason i got em is cos everyone else in raid passed (that includes me)

i took them cos else they would have been sharded, and that is a big big waste

if you got a guild that does BWL sucessfully you'll see that most of the warrior/pallies want tier2 parts before the even consider this item.

so if you want em and you are in a guild that does BWL go aheadd and bid for em, i'm sure you'll get em

Комментарий от Thottbot

gahhh, noobies that dont know paladins! stay off our gear!

Комментарий от Thottbot

I'd go for the new WSG exalted reward, or get Titanic leggings.

Комментарий от Thottbot

One of the few non-class-specific pieces of plate that our warriors get ONLY when all of the paladins pass, far too often it's the other way. I <3 my guild :).

Комментарий от Thottbot

What kind of warriors are in BWL that need a minimal amount of Int to increase their weapon skill faster? Int helps you when learning new weapons... any warrior who's doing BWL and seriously says they need the int to boost their weapon skill is a tool. At lvl 60 and doing BWL, you had a lot of time to get all your weapons to 300... or at least all the weapons you actually use. Jeeze, the crap ppl will come up with as an excuse.

Let's not get into "but paladins take valor" garbage.. it's very clear that plate items with int are for Paladins. Nobody can seriously say any plate item with Int was ever intended for a warrior.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Here's the graphic:

http://www.svacomputerart.com/steve/images/Alakaz/legguards.JPG

They actually look like platemail >gasp<

In all seriousness, they're not that much better than lawbringer legs. The +str and AC are nice, but in big raids most paladin work is done with buffing/healing. Think twice before spending the DKP on it.

Also, it is not (currently at least) part of a set.

Edited, Wed Jul 27 00:49:26 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I have gotten these today (as a warrior), and i am quite pleased with them. They are a nice upgrade from bloodsoaked leggplates, with the agi on them. Do note that all the paladins in the guild either had them allready or don't want them. I would never consider looting them over a paladin.

http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?512370

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Could this be a new set? Legguards of the fallen crusader. Gridle of the fallen crusader? Blizz is making new high lvl instance sets. Maybe this is one of them.

Ремень Павшего Брата Tue Jul 26 17:23:36 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

2 of these would pwn on my rogue

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I don't get it why some ppl say paladins don't need agility :|. I got a paladin myself (@ bladefist) and i love agility. I only need 17 agi for 1% crit chance. So this nice baby gives me like 1.3% crit chance + that intellect. pwn3d.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Dropped 6 times out off 7 firemaw kills for use :>

Комментарий от Allakhazam

There's almost no plate with a decent amount of intellect and strength. The plate that came with the last patch (around four pieces) totals for more strength than the entire lawbringer set. And it has 83 times more strength than judgement!

Blizzard must be going somewhere with this. :)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3915/lotfc0ou.jpg

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Just my Thoughts.
But for warriors,theres alot better leggings than these,and what use do you get out of intellect?apart from a slight bit quicker weapons skill.Im my Guilds raid,we allow paladins to "DPS"(Please don't give me that"even holy priests out damage paladins!" stuff.),i play both a 60 warrior,and paladin.and personally i would NOT go for these as a warrior.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

paladin would pwn whit this!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Umm sorry buddy, hunters can't wear plate, so idk how this would be hunter loot?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

WTF Ever!

PALLY! BAH

Abd if you pally's wanna roll on that Valor crap around me, WELCOME TO IT! It looks like damn pally gear anyway. As a 36pt Fury Warrior, I don't want that valor crap, in all honesty, I don't want any of my tier sets, cuz none of it even remotely benefits what I do.

This gear is Fury warrior all over it... 2 weapons, massive pain, and we get good armor with no shield.

Thank you blizzard for making something 1/2 decent for the bastard children of the warrior family

Комментарий от Allakhazam

+AGI isn't just for +Crit... it's also adds to your armor value. My AC has droppped considerably since i started building up my INT gear. The extra AGI on these legs would help boost my AC and survivablitlty back up a little bit.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

you see the intellect and think.. ohh they MUST be pally's... i see the agility the high armour the strenth and decent stamina! .. the intel good if you want to level a weapon... they're good for warriors too (thinking of PvP here btw) this is the reason... the agility is equal to 1.1% to crit chance and the strenth equal to +56 attack power (which is a hell of alot if you compare an AR's (Arcanite Reaper)attack power of +62), added on.
Anyways all i'm saying is just because they're good for one class doesn't mean that they're also good for others.

Edited, Tue Jul 26 00:00:40 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

can some1 confirm do this drops from Horde too?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

The name itself sounds like a paladin item. 'Legguards of the Fallen Crusader'.

If it was intended more towards warriors, aside from the stats being differant, I'm sure it would have been named something along the lines of Legguards of the Fallen Gladiator.

In my opinion, as a paladin, Lawbringer is better in most cases, these would be good for PvP Paladins.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Nice Paladin legs.

Again for those deaf, nice Paladin legs.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

yep, definate hunter loot

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I'm a warrior.

2nd warrior with these leggings on my server, we both have the only two sets.

>:)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

They don't drop for the horde. There are some shaman legs with spell crit - that don't drop for alliance... Primalist linked I think they're called.

So yeah, pally item.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Dropped for us, no pallies wanted, so I gladly took them.
This is an item I would pass on for a pally if one needed.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

what drops it ?

coz where prooly = BWL

Комментарий от Allakhazam

These may be the best epic legs for a paladin.

Also, whoever said that "paladins don't use agility" is ignorant. Paladins are a hybrid class and need all stats. Every stat is equally important.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

That's an odd opinion. I don't care if retribution-specced paladins aren't very popular in the end game, many paladins still try to get vengeance, a skill which greatly adds to our phys/holy damage once we crit. And crit rate, as you know, is upped by agility. Paladins who want to do big, burst damage like to seek out +agility gear, and that's all there is to it. Too bad Blizzard only made one paladin set (Field Marshal's Aegis) to cater to that preference. So, I guess there's something to be said for that theory, considering Lawbringer and Judgement are basically agility-less. Um...thanks, Blizz.

Edited, Tue Aug 30 04:14:49 2005

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Edited, Wed Oct 5 03:19:28 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

warriors get priority on all plate that doesnt have int, which is a lot more than plate that does have int. so when plate legs with int drop, and i dont care what the other stats are, cus paladins use EVERY stat, its paladin loot. warriors can have it... when the paladins that want it have all gotten it.

hell for warriors they arent even all that big an upgrade over the legplates of heroism :p

Edited, Sat Apr 1 13:25:52 2006

Комментарий от Allakhazam

it has int. EVERYONE KNOWS what class needs this, mages you idiots. i cant believe people didnt see that before. if it has that much int. obviously a mage would profit from it.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I would never use that crap for my paladin, as both Lawbringer and Judgement are MILES better than that piece of @#$%.
Same thing for my Warrior, Wrath is way way better than it and I would probably use Might over it, depending on my defense skill, but the armor+agility are attractive.
For PvP.. no %^&*, go get the legs with 1% crit from DM those suck.
So.. yea itemization win again O:

Edited, Fri Aug 12 13:32:50 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Paladins need agility just as much as Warriors do -.-

--
This is one of those Paladin items.
I see too many warrior morons crying over paladins wanting to roll on ...obsidian edged blade....or earthshaker etc.
Something like this which - minus restrictions is CLEARLY a Paladin Piece of Plate and Warriors go ballistic because it has a piece of agility on it.

Beautiful.
Hahah.
Oh well at least warriors can use the int -.-

Well their players anyway.
As a Raid Leader I will not be allowing Warriors to bid on this.

Edit;
As a side note:
Unless you're on a noob (PvE/RP) Server These are better than Judgement by miles, and 'significantly' better than Lawbringer.
As a Paladin in PVP If you are going to play your class properly, you are NOT ONLY there to heal, but you are there to get into the thick of it.
Melee make noise, draw attention to yourself, unlike a priest you can TAKE damage AND heal.

Then again I do get more kicks/counterspells/stuns/gouges/sheeps/etcccccccc than most priests in our BGs ~~

Edited, Sun Sep 18 01:56:21 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Nice Teh Hunter weeponNN !11!one1!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This leggings is easily the best for a DPS/PVP paladin or warrior, yes it has intel on it and warriors dont need intel but show me another leggings better than this for a DPS warrior,
anyone ever heared of DKP?....if you have enough DKP and want the leggings then yes you have earned it, grats to the person with the most DKP, pallies bid on items with no intel so what's the crime if a warrior want to bid on the leggings?
(pallies suck at DPS anyways)
*cough* I don't see the word "Paladin" ritten on it.

Edited, Sun May 14 12:13:28 2006

Комментарий от Allakhazam

what drops these?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

LISTEN UP.

There are two classes that can wear plate armor. Warriors and Paladins. Now I realize this may be a hard concept for you to grasp, but plate armor, b/c it is only available to two (2) classes, which have very similar stat requirements, can ALWAYS go to either class, unless specifically stated by the armor (i.e. epic sets). BOTH classes require stamina and strength. Warriors ahve absolutely no use for intellect, however, paladins do have SOME use for agility (although it's not vastly important) . THEREFORE, this armor can go to EITHER class.

AS IN, both Warriors AND Paladins.

Now stop arguing over which class it belongs to because it freaking belongs to BOTH

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Does this drop for horde or only alliance like some of the MC drops?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Every item u check start with 2 guys fighting over whick class uses it.. &*!@ OFF!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

For the Guy that said he would use these over a pally for lvling his weapons skill meh all i have to say is stfu

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Me myself, I play a warrior, but I wouldn't roll or spend dkp on this item, since the int bonus definitely declares it as a pally's item, though I could equip em.
Most warriors will be of the same opinion but on the other hand, there are many pallys who think they could just take any piece of plate armor, even things which are obviously designed for warriors, like gear with stamina, strength, agility attack power and crit.
So please Pallys, we accept this belongs to you, but you should accept, that lots of other stuff should be ours.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Excuse the intrusion on your lovely arguement but I think most (but not all) of you are missing one major point:

NO guild able to run Blackwing Lair will be using group loot. None of them, not a single one. All will be using a points system, as it's far fairer for their playstyle.

Now that we've discredited the "omg I'd roll on them" and "omg warriors/paladins can't roll on them, i'll kill you!" posts...

Anyone who can use and item and make usage of it's stats should be able to decide for themselves whether it is worth their points or not - not you. It's not your job to label an item as belonging to one class or another, if it was I'm sure no one would be playing this game anymore.

If you're going to post mindless drivel about who can and can not roll on an item because your holyness declared it, I'd recommend you reconsider.

My personal opinion on the leggings? Were I do have a high level paladin or warrior in a large raiding guild which farms every boss in MC and is progressing through BWL I would most likely pass on these, regardless, unless I were a hardcore PvP fan. Warriors have no use for int in PvE once they have levelled their weapons, paladins have no use for strength during PvE due to their role as support. There may be unique cases where a paladin is performing the "DPS" role, but most likely that's an in-joke for the guild in question...

Rants are fun =)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Warriors, get Legplates of the Qiraji Command and be happy.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

u guys are wrong warriors need INT cuz they dumb as shiznit :P pallys rule warriors drool

Комментарий от Allakhazam

If you warriors want + crit so badly then go get elderitch leggings in DM west.

If you want tanking (the high AC of the pants) gear, then get might.

Thanks.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

for christ's sake, we all pass on valor for u guys without a word. even if having full valor could increase our performance in AV, we still don't do it. why? because we can actually recognize the fact that warriors will make far better use of it than a pally ever could. ive never ever seen another pally in my group even bringing up the idea of rolling. now then, these leggings come along, and its a +17 INT on them. obviously, we'll make use of the intellect. warriors, on the other hand, will make no use of it other than to speed up their weapon skill progression. thats a pretty bad excuse for looting it.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

These are legplates for holy warriors not for paladins that play like a support class.
Warriors bidding on this are retarted tho. There are better alternatives then these legs for them.
These own for PvP indeed ^^

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Eh i dono how good these are. I have cloudkeeper legplates on my war. And i just need to put a 8 str enchant on my legplates and these only have 2agi and 2 stam more.....i would go for titanic legplates much more....any idea on this?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Im glad I've got an orc warrior:P I dont have to worry about $%^&ty paladins that can't accept that warrior could use theese legs aswell:P

Комментарий от Allakhazam

id use it. glad im on horde side.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I don't think these drops for horde, sadly enough. One of the better DPS plate legs I know of.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I have a dream, and it is that one day... in the World of Warcraft, Warriors and Paladins can ALL wear these pants. Amen.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

TBH even with the int... its really good for warriors but i guesss paladins with have prior on it.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I got these pants today, they are a pretty good upgrade to my bloodsoaked, with more agi. I overbidded 2 palas and Im not ashamed of it. These pants is _ONLY_ for paladins in PVP/DUEL situations, as my role in BWL is to do DMG, I gladely spend DKP on these leggings, cuz they got almost the same stats as Helm of Endless Rage. "BUT HEY ITS INTELLECT ON THEM!1111 WARRIOR DONT HAVE MANA!+1+1!+" paladins dont get anything out with agility and strenght in BWL, and in our guild, everyone is allowed to bid on stuff, if it suits them in PVE situation, as this does for me. I'd say palas, go for judgement or lawbringer for pve, If you like PVP, sure save DKP and bid for it, but dont expect warriors to pass cuz of the intellect on them.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

In my guild, when anything of the Fallen Crusader drops, it's a warrior/paladin class call. If Paladin's are tired of Warriors taking this, perhaps you should lay off the Helm of Endless Rage for awhile and save for this.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Equally pally or warrior- pallies don't need agility, warriors don't need int. I'd give it to a pally though, a pvp warrior would want some crit chance, tank would want defense or +dodge or +parry

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Pallys can go in there bubbel and heal. Warriors can't and depend on Hp Wepon Dmg and Armor. Pallys depend on Shield and Hearth. Was ona make a good point but got lazy.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

EVER THOUGHT OF THIS: Warriors are on horde, and are on alliance, YET, paladins are ONLY on alliance. To make gear less side dependant(like shaman mail for instance) blizzard throws on the int so that it caters for both the alliance paladin, and the horde warrior. Is that better for your feeble little minds? As a level 60 orc warrior, id equip these over my valor(or cloudkeeper, if i ever get them) in a heartbeat.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

would be a nice set if they make chest, hands, shoulders, helmet, boots, wrist of the fallen crusader aswell
:)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

bla bla.

does these drop for horde? they're easily the best dps warrior leggings in the game, after rank12 legs ofcourse, which you can't really hope to get if you have a life.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Thankfully our raid also uses a Priority system that prevents greedy b00ns from getting stuff that would overall benefit other classes more and since Int gear is pointless on Warriors and Off-Warriors are pointless in Raids anyway, these pants are obviously Pala Loot. Nice in BG's and for farming stuff.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Nice for Paladin and Warrior.

Edited, Tue Jul 26 06:44:59 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

grrr would ya'll stop that damm "jep hunter stuff" thing. Jeses people say that on every armor, every weapon... damm idiots

Ow yeah you warriors should not roll on this stuff... All warriors start yelling at me if I only dare to roll on Valor pieces & they can roll on this? something is not right...

Edited, Tue Jul 26 07:20:51 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This is a great item for paladins...paladins can/do use agil so for ur warriors say we dont we do.also this is way better for pallys than warriors warriors dont need int at all, they sure as hell dont need it for weapon skill ups at 60 you should alrdy be all skilled up therefore this has paladin written all over it.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

pfff stop whining, go plate horde, we horde warriors are rulers of the plates

Комментарий от MrGaffer

Since we're in phase 3 right now, some of the comments don't really seem to apply to our current situation, such as there being plenty of good alternatives for fury warriors.

These platelegs are great for both fury warriors and retribution paladins. Yes, fury warriors have no use for the intellect. Despite there being a dead stat in the item, it's still great. Unlike paladins, we don't have the option of going for a set item Ножные латы правосудия

Either way, it's best in slot for both during phases 3 & 4. So they should both have the same level of priority for it and whoever spends the most DKP out of those two categories in the raid should get it.

Комментарий от teakwood54

These do not drop for Horde. Stick with Devilsaur / Eldrich / Black Dragonscale / PvP legs until AQ.

Комментарий от Freedonut

Does this drop for the horde? Seems like it's great for fury as well.

Комментарий от Raijinmeister

Anybody knows if those are Alliance drop only or they can drop to Horde as well?

Комментарий от fabi88

BIS raiding legs for a fury warrior in BWL phase. I would only equip them when fully buffed and crit capped tho. Outside raid, I think Латные поножи рыцаря-капитана are better.

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