This is the best pre-naxx weapon a rogue can get besides the Grand Marshal stuff. The slow speed, high damage, and great stats of this weapon make it one of the best! Amazing weapon, goes to rogues first. Not as good for fury warriors, because they favor faster weapons. This is any sword rogue's dream =D

Комментарий от 7873

One of the best swords in game currently for combat and hemo build rogues. Because of the high min-max and the slow speed this is ideal for use with sinister strike, but especially hemo. Should be allocated to rogues first in a raiding guild.

For pvp a great build to use with the AQR (acronym for this item) is pre-med. Combined with rank 9 eviscerate this build can offer massive burst damage.

Комментарий от 9590

A great sword for a rogue that is hemo specced, I know my friend has it and he does a lot of damage. The stats are pretty sweet too.

Комментарий от GnarGnar

This is the best mainhand sword you can get as a combat spec up until Gressil from Kel'thuzad.

Комментарий от 2140

Best Rogue main hand sword before Kel'thuzad drops.
Nice DPS with Sword Combat and Hemorr Specs.
And good point this sword not unique!

Комментарий от 59139

i saw someone with two of these, lucky and powerful that rogue was, i usally saw her in BG and she rlly pwned alot of ppl, i recomend combat sword rogues to get atleat one of these or two, good luck getting it though

Комментарий от Thottbot

Thank you Blizzard! You finally realized that combat rogues deserve more goodies! And no, that's not sarcasm, that's genuine happiness!

This. Sword. Is. Uber. It will go to a combat rogue, unless all combat rogues in the raid have access to Grand Marshall's weapons or already have this one. If any other class is allowed to bid on that item, then please with a x3 dkp penalty ;)

Also, I'd be surprised if Blizzard doesn't change it to be unique. Two of those sound scary, very scary.

And please, whoever says "but it doesn't say class: rogue" or "hunters need AP/crit too" or "but fury warriors...": Forget it. Seriously. Maybe poker is your game. Quit WoW, now.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I think hunters sometimes miss the point of people arguing that they should get an item like this. This sword has a beautiful top end dmg that would be put to very very good use by a rogue/warrior. This in a hunters hands would be no more then a crit %, atk. power TRINKET, which isn't bad, but why waste a such nice sword that way. There are blues out there that could rival this sword in effectivity(in a hunters hands.) But if you can get this sword you are in a well established guild most likely, and hopefully understand the concept of "for the better of the guild" -- so sorry Hunters unless your whole guild is equipped with this or better, don't waste your dkp and sicken your friendly neighboorhood rogue.

Комментарий от Thottbot

You guys probably think I'm saying that because I am a rogue, but think about it, yes it is a nice weap for both rogue and warrior(hunters are more ranged oriented, as least a rogue/warrior will ALWAYS be USING it), but warriors still get the option of 2-handed weapons where rogues only get 1 handed maces or swords.

So this is definately nice for all 3 classes, but I think priority should go to rogues/warriors, then hunters...if you are in a guild where everyone at least respects each other, then a sword rogue would get this item first.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Ok campers, seems like I can't read about a single item without hearing invertebrates scream about what class should get priority, so I'm taking the time to throw in a little flowchart for the logically-challenged. Next time you feel your OCD kickin in, count to 10, kick a small furry animal, then ask yourself these questions:

1. Have I taken my medication today?
- If No, do so immediately.
- If Yes:
2. Where does this item drop?
- If it's a world/low instance drop, commence kindergarten-IQ WoW class discrimination.
- If, like this puppy, it is a high instance drop:
3. Is the instance PUG-able, or does it require a raiding guild?
- If PUG-able, you will roll on loot and you may proudly and impotently proclaim your class's priority over all other classes.
- If raiding guild required:
4. Am I in a raiding guild?
- If No, find one that accepts the feeble and mentally underdeveloped.
- If Yes:
5. Congratulations. Earn DKP and use it on whatever your GUILD LEADER says you can use it on.

You see, none of us faceless forumers have any say in what loot you can and cannot have. For endgame loot such as this, the only person you should be trying to convince is the person who enables you to even have the chance to see loot like this drop.

Anyone can be a forum badass and insult people online without fear of consequences. Do yourself a favor and try communicating on an intellectual level with another human. You'll find you get much better results that way than you would by screaming your opinion in an anonymous forum. Here endeth the lesson.

Комментарий от Thottbot

GM/HWL weapon is still better for hemo becouse they are 2.9 speed(hemo was not affected by weapon attack power normalization), and since hemo is mainly a PvP build, I'd say that GM/HWL weapon is better for pvp :)

Комментарий от Thottbot

Dropped yesterday for us and ofc went to a swordrogue. But damn its ugly

Комментарий от Thottbot

I am a hunter, and i agree, this item is certanly for Rogues.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I got this sword last monday 06-06-12.
Awsome sword for a combat rogue as I think you guys already established.

I must say that I'm a bit disspointed with the graphics on it :(

Комментарий от Thottbot

morel ike top 3. It beats out maladath, it beats out chromo temp sword, beats viskag, has harder competition to thunderfury couse of thunderfuries atack speed and special ability but this is like tied for best.

Комментарий от Thottbot

As we can see, most of the people that post here don't have a nice end-game guild. When you're inside one, there're rules for the loots, and the preferable classes that this loot will go on.

So, IT DROPPED! ZOMG FZOMG, HUNTAR WEAPONZ. Now I ask you if you need this MORE than Warriors or Rogues, that will go in melee combat? And you, Hunter, want that a Warrior roll on your Huhuran's Stinger?

Oh well. Nuff said. Just some nooblings that don't have a guild capable of taking it. Sorry.

Комментарий от Thottbot

and I want it :))

Комментарий от Thottbot

lawl. this weap sucks now anyways

Комментарий от Allakhazam

At least if they get this, they'll look like idiots wielding giant rainbow-colored pine cones.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

If you get this sword change to mpq models and find a skin you like.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

DAMN YOU!

NOT UNIQUE!

Furor-dualwield-sword-warrior, here i am! :D

Комментарий от Allakhazam

No, what you mean is Combat > Assassination.

Daggers can beat swords consistantly if they spec combat.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Me wielding the 2 uglyest swords in the game:

http://www.hot.ee/j7m/ripper_cts.jpg

Edited, Sun Feb 19 15:13:20 2006

Комментарий от Allakhazam

To be honest, I don't care if my rogue is fightin with fish.. if he can slap the hell out of em.. cool beans. Looks? grab somethin pretty for the after raid beer... don those for the fight baby.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Nice Main hand weapon, high dps, nice speed AND also nice stats.
Wouldnt be that bad for hunters eather thought?

But DAMN its ugly, haha.

- Voisaatana combat rogue

Комментарий от Allakhazam

that pic oh the human blows, too dark!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

My rogue, Louise on EU Talnivarr is dual wielding them since a week now.

Screen with bare stats:
http://www.moonlightcouncil.com/dual_ripper_stats.jpg

*note*
Screenie is when completely bare DPS, no buffs, no sharpening stones, nothing.

*note 2*
Too bad they look so damn ugly :'(

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Yup.. call me crazy, but I think this sword is beautiful.. Maybe I'm just blinded by the extreme damage and godly stats, but I really like it.

Gief plx (right...)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

that louise rogue seem kinda proud, o.o

Комментарий от Allakhazam

jesus :d

i have it and it rules daggers are for PVP for killing cloth users in max 2 shots kkthnxbai :)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

best rogue SS sword around barring GM weapons.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

can we find out how many of these have dropped?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I think no matter what the math... I'd stick with the CTS over this. I can't beleive they made such an awesome weapon so absolutely hideous. Theres not THAT much of a differnce between this and CTS, and to me... CTS is a mighty fine looking sword! :D

This is even worse then the NS shoulderpads... by far.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

got this "beauty" 2 days ago with my rogue ^^ now I'm Hemorrhage and it owns. Still have to try it with combat spec for massive dps in pve :P

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I just got this on my fury warrior and it is really awesome. I hope to get a second one to replace my Deathbringer.

Edited, Sun Jun 18 17:35:36 2006

Комментарий от Allakhazam

swords owns for rogues, you just gotta specc for it
try a hemo build, using daggers with that will gimp back to the stoneage

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Any1 have picture of this?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

CTS:

106 - 198 damage range. 58.5 DPS
Add 28ap worth of agi and str, results in:

134 - 226 damage range. 69.2 DPS

Actual damage spread is 92, which traslates to an adverage weapon hit of 180. (averaged number that the weapon adds to formula that determines how much damage each of your attacks make)

Stats also give: 0.5% dodge. 0.5% crit 70hp.

AQR:

114 - 213 damage range. 58.4 DPS
Add 20ap results in:

134 - 233 damage range. 65.5 DPS

1 ap =! 1 dmg
the formula for ap -> dmg is ap/14 * weapon speed

so cts adds 5.2 dmg from stats on white hits making it 111-203

aqr would gain 3.7 dmg from the ap bonus making its damage 118-217

Комментарий от Allakhazam

The sword drops in AQ

Комментарий от Allakhazam

if this sucked for rogues then they wouldnt have it on the premade rogues on the test realm :P

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Nice, now people will be able to actually slap someone around with a large trout.

Can't wait for the AQR/CTS combo myself actually.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Summery of the two weapons:

CTS:

106 - 198 damage range. 58.5 DPS
Add 28ap worth of agi and str, results in:

134 - 226 damage range. 69.2 DPS

Actual damage spread is 92, which traslates to an adverage weapon hit of 180. (averaged number that the weapon adds to formula that determines how much damage each of your attacks make)

Stats also give: 0.5% dodge. 0.5% crit 70hp.

AQR:

114 - 213 damage range. 58.4 DPS
Add 20ap results in:

134 - 233 damage range. 65.5 DPS

Actual damage spread is 99, which translates into an average weapon hit of 183.5

Stats also give: 1% crit 110hp

Analysis:

the CTS has a better DPS (white damage) beating the AQR by 3.7DPS

The AQR has a slightly higher average hit, beating the CTS by an average of 3.5 damage. Becasue its damage range is equal at the low end, and higher at the high end, it will NEVER land a smaller hit then the CTS, and has a small chance of landing slightly larger hits then the largest hit the CTS can possibly produce. (this applies for both white damage and special attacks)

The AQR gives 40hp more then the CTS. In the grand scheme of things, this is negligible.

The AQR gives a full 1% of crit, while the CTS gives only 0.5% crit, but subsitutes the other half point with 0.5% of dodge. Once again this is a minor difference, but technically this would make the AQR a slightly better weapon for rogues who focus on maximazing DPS (arnt we all? :P )

Conclusion:

These two weapons are virtually identical. How are interpret the small differences between them? Ultimately a rogue's build is the determining factor and what conclusions we draw will be as numerous as the many different builds that are in use. Ultimately I think this one general conclusion can be made:

3.5 average hit + 0.5% crit VS. 3.7DPS.
These are the deciding factors. Which is better?

For generating maximum DPS, the AQR should be equal or only very slightly superior to the CTS for most builds due to its extra 0.5% crit and its minisculely larger damage range.

This should hold true for all builds except those that rely heavily on white damage (i,e SnD builds) In which case the CTS will most likely have a slight edge in DPS generation.

(NOTE - All these numbers ignore the +15 agility enchant that is usually places on these weapons. This enchant should skew the numbers slightly in the CTS's favor due to its slightly faster speed)

Koen

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Give me this weapon >.< :D

Комментарий от Allakhazam

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2192/ripper12xx.jpg

Grats Zania <Jinxed>, Mannoroth

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I wonder what would be better? this or thunderfury. this might be a better Tanking weapon then it. then again thunderfury's proc happens all the time. (even though they just nurfed it) Blizz said thunderfury was the best tanking weapon in the game saw that off a blue response. soooo im not sure, anyone else think otherwise? (sorry not the best speeller) ;)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

ugly indeed

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Damn u with you're stats. I was fishing happily yesterday(stealthed :)) and gues what......... instead of a fish I got this amazing sword:
35211273213615-32136283621891273455 damage
1.00 speed
+712740842-984092380942709534985798346598 stamina
+999930127837123219632963219621389631261236 agility
+7293847239 strenght
passive
+ 50% chance to crit
+ 30% cgance to dodge
+9813273126921372391739127832732173219832 attack power
believ me it's REAL.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This is currently the best epic MH sword available from PvE. Whether for combat build or hemo, it offers the most benefit of any PvE sword for SSing and hemo alike. While it is a good sword for offhanding, I am personally sticking with CTS as my offhand until something worthy comes along.

CTS is .2 faster with .1 higher dps, and for combat sword spec rogues, speed is a factor for offhands. While the Ripper does currently have the highest maximum damage damage over any other sword, the GM sword provides much better average damage with it's relatively high low end specs and 2.9 speed.

You can probably expect anywhere from 1k-1.2k SS crits from this with ~1.5k buffed ap on fully sundered mobs. On some occasions you may even see higher numbers. Highest I've see is a 1.4k crit on Rag while being fully buffed. (No, i'm not joking. Although numbers like this are extremely rare)

Doomstress - 60 Rogue, Shattered Hand (US)

Edited, Wed May 17 17:36:34 2006

Комментарий от Allakhazam

My friend says this thing is the best (DPS) 1-handed weapon in the game, but he's kinda dumb, haven't found anything higher so I'll ask anyway. Is he right?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

... Pinecone ... -.-

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This is better than a GM/HW weapon. It is closer to the set attack power bonus for 1 hand swords. Plus the strike on it is higher by 6 damage. Whereas it might not look as good, this sword would outperform the GM/HW blades with SS damage, and white damage. I actually think this sword is downright ugly. Also, this should actually have a higher dps than the GM/HW blades, as the strike hits harder, but it is a faster weapon.
I would love this on my rogue though. Adrenaline Rush Spamming SS with Windfury totems to back it up. It would be some insane damage.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

They killed rainbow fish and stuck him on a stick :( What a shame

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This Sword Sucks for rouge rouges are better with daggers

Zynie Level 60 Night Elf Rouge Azoul Nerub

Комментарий от Allakhazam

http://backstabtrolls.com/immo/ripper.jpg

l

Edited, Fri Feb 24 06:17:26 2006

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This sword does some insane damage. Its like Deathbringer, only with stats, and a bit faster.

Oh, and yes, I'm a warrior, and I have one! ^^

http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?239693

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Misplaced Servo Arm kicks the crap out of this, way more dmg, and a kickass proc.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Praemium Callidus of Magtheridon got 2 of 2 kills possible :(

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Hunter Weapon )))

Комментарий от Allakhazam

People ...you wont believe whats happend in our raid: On our first Fankriss-Kill, we've looted this fantastic sword (stats, not style :-P)...and 5 weeks later on our sixth kill, we've looted it again, and it were my new sword..oh lovly, this i would call drop-luck, wouldn't you ?

http://www.buffed.de/?c=42994

Комментарий от Allakhazam

you will all hate me for saying this but id rather have CTS....its beautiful and this looks like a rusty can opener

CTS and TF ftw

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Dont even think about saying its hunter or anything like that .

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crackbaby

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This is one of the best, if not THE best sword for rogues in the game. 213 max damage is very, very high and is great for instant attacks.

Too bad it looks like a crappy fish.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

rofl pretty threatening... no decorations on this christmas tree makes it badass tho

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Purples, Human Rogue in the Ethereal guild on Ner'Zhul is DUAL WIELDING THESE SWORDS!

He has 2 of the damn things! We got one on our third Fankriss kill last week and again this week on our fourth after the snake changes. He may look like he is holding a couple Christmas Trees, but his DPS is INSANE.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Is this the highest damage sword there is?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to tell me how i would take a screen shot
thanks in advance

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Hmm, hasn't the icon for it changed? I remember it looking different

Комментарий от Allakhazam

this is the 2nd most dmg 1h in the game, the most dmg is gressil dawn of ruin from naxx off kel'thuzad...if u had Gressil in MH and this in off hand u'd pwn so hard it wouldn't even be funny.

Комментарий от MrGaffer

Considering its extremely low droprate it might be better to focus on BWL weapons if you're looking for an upgrade

Комментарий от ReelJV

I know its all chance, but I think the drop rate is higher than people think. We have seen 2 AQRs in the 3 weeks AQ40 has been out on my server. We have only seen 1 CTS since BWL was launched and we've never missed a clear. Again, I know its all chance, but it just feels like this drop rate is higher than people think. I've also seen a lot of other players with this sword already in cities.

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