Finally I'm going to get a weapon where this enchant could be worth of, however I have a question. Is there any reason why the hell this enchant has so big material requirements? I mean if you look at Soulfrost enchant, you see almost same mats (primal water instead of primal fire which at least on my realm is kinda cheaper but meh) but then boom, two primall mights. Instead of primal shadow. I've been thinking about this for a while yet don't find any possible reason for that.

Why Sunfire should have less dmg then SF Rituido explained above me (even as deeply fire mage I'm not happy about it at all :P), however the difference in costs of these enchants is still mystery to me tbh. It's like current mat cost of +healing on ring against +dmg (poor healers). I'm really currious about it, anyone has any good explanation of it? I really cannot see the logic here...

Комментарий от Nellexi

it requires
6 Void Crystals
10 Large Prismatic
8 Greater Planar
10 Primal Fire
10 Primal Might

the reagents currently listed here are wrong

Комментарий от 89843

My question is; is this really worth the cost when the major spellpower enchant requires so much less and only has 10 less spell damage? In addition, it adds to all your spells' damage. Or is the yellow glow the and the fancy name the real attraction behind this enchant?

Комментарий от 94302

i wouldn't bother getting this enchant on my weapon .. unless i have another .. sunfire will suk if you .. by any chance .. as a mage .. decide at any point .. to respec Frost ..

the cliche +40 spell dmg is better ..

Комментарий от 28138

When you obtain a weapon worthy of this enchant then the mats cost will be justified since you probably will keep that weapon for some time.

Imo the first weapon you should put this enchant on is the Nathrezim Mindblade (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28770) dropped by Prince Malchezaar in Karazhan.

Every single spell damage you can squeeze out of your gear will count when you only have your damage dealing potentials to justify you taking that spot in the raid.

Put +40 spell damage on BoE/rep epics and dungeon blues.

Комментарий от Prowler

The glow doesnt seem to show up on Zhar'doom, Greatstaff of the Devourer and it might be the same for other weapons wich look like beasts,

Комментарий от 117673

when it says melee wep can i put it on a staff?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Castertwinkers beware: Requires a level 35 or higher item.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Is this formula the same with other dungon drops that only the one's with the trade can see it or is it in main loot table as l hear a lot from m8s thats never seen it drop but there guilds use ML so the ones that have it can you confirm that when you won it was ML on at the time or not

thanks

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Soum @ Lightning's Blade - HORDE - can make this.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Saijin can do it on Black Dragonflight (US, Horde)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Weeny can do this and sunfrost on the alliance side of whisperwind

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Whizpers can do this on Balegun.. send a tell

Комментарий от Allakhazam

well the guild is not ready to enter here yet but maybe with in the next few weeks.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I can make this, Gorim, at Balnazzar (horde, eu)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Making this on The Mealstrom. Alliance

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Ronel on Khaz'Goroth (Alliance) can do this.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

WTF? ONE mob (boss) drops it and it has 0.3% chance to drop?
I mean COME ON! You can only kill this guy once a week. how lucky do you have to be to get one of these?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I have this on feathermoon but i'm 5 skill away from using it...

Will be able to use it soon though if you don't know anyone else that can

Комментарий от Allakhazam

this is one bad-boy but for that price of mats and only +10 over Major spell. i expect a ultra-cool glow on this :) so any1 know it glows etc ? any good ? :D

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Jessilika can do this horde side on Drak'thul. PST...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I can enchant this (EU-Dragonmaw).

Contact me ingame,

Knaap lvl 70 Priest - Alliance

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Where is this found?

Комментарий от Thottbot

It's off the Shade of Aran in Karazhan.

Комментарий от Thottbot

(Concerning Patch 2.0, will be fixed with 2.1):

Do *not* use Master Looter when killing Moroes or any other of the bosses who might drop recipes for professions if your Master Looter doesn't have that profession!

The recipe won't show up and will not be lootable!

Комментарий от Thottbot

People will get the best of the best, especially if they know they won't get a better weapon in a very long time. For example, if you get Bloodmaw Magus-Blade off of Gruul, I doubt there is a better weapon then that, that you'll be getting within the next month or so. So might as well go all out. Get the best you can and make it worth while. Chances are, you are already farming up mats before you even get a weapon like that, so when you do get the weapon, you'll be ready to go with it. Besides...

...the glow makes it worth it! :D

Комментарий от Thottbot

Does the Sunfire Glow work on The Bloodmaw magus and the daggar off the prince? Or do their default glows override the sunfire?

Комментарий от Thottbot

+10 dam to each of my arcane mis are not that bad :)
it quickly adds up

im arcane and fire, so not a bad enc to get

Комментарий от Thottbot

Unfortunately like most enchants on weapons that already have a glow effect this does not override the original glow on the Magus Blade.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6953/qqsunfireoo8.jpg

Комментарий от Thottbot

As always, caster itemization...

Melee had Crusader and AGI, both were way better than +30 spell dam, and now they have mongoose, while we got +50 damage. Temporal spell haste rating gear is common, even passive ones from BT, why don't we get something like that as an enchant? Procs +30 damage and some haste rating, for 1k gold?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Dude, you dont use frost nova except to freeze. No mage in their right mind would say "%^&* that, I want more frost nova damage". As for Ice lance, you NEVER use it in a raid unless you want that TINY bit of extra damage for the charts when the boss is at less than 1% (no time to cast and fire blast is on CD). And as for cone of cold, you MIGHT use that occasionally as an arcane/fire mage if you are deep arcane and don't have dragons breath (because they share a timer) but again you don't use cone of cold in raids except for aoe mobs.

So quite honestly, an arcane/fire mage would love this for a great weapon. If you are looking to top damage, you need these high-end enchants. They may cost alot, but they are worth it in the end.

BTW, I guarantee you that nobody with great gear/enchants that doesnt have their epic flying mount is too bummed about it. And also, most people I know that got their epic flyer and have mostly greens/blues are very bummed that they didn't think about how worthless it is if you arent lazy and fly on your 60% mount across outland. Do you think Nihilem (dono spelling, lol) got to where they are from epic flying mounts? pa-lease.

Oh and also, how come Soul Frost gets 54 damage? /hate blizz-tard.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I guess if you're completely geared out, have an epic flying mount, have an amazing weapon that, chances are, you won't replace for a VERY long time, and have an amazing raiding guild, then yes, this is a good enchant. But honestly, until you get to that point of being in one of the top guilds in the game, it really won't make a huge difference. It's an awesome enchant and all, but really not economical or necessary in any way for the vast, and I mean vast, majority of players.

If you've completely exhausted all better ways to expend your gold, and happen to have 800-1000g sitting around, then by all means, buy this encant.

Комментарий от Thottbot

If you're an enchanter, and have nothing else to do with the mats for this, then why not put it on your weapon? I'm not rushing out to buy the mats for this, but if I get enough Large Prismatics and Void Crystals then yeah, I'll put it on my dagger.

Комментарий от Thottbot

for serious raiding mages, price ist NOT a matter to think over.
it is simply the best for any arcane or fire mage, so this is our way to go.
don't forget, that these few 10 spell damage add up that other little 5 spell damage from your new shoes and another 7 spell damage from another new cloak.

at some point, there is nothing else (besides repairs) to spend your money in, anyway.

still, it should be put on epics only, since till then, it's pretty easy to get better gear instead.

Комментарий от Thottbot

would it be good idea to put this enchant on the merciless spellblade? dunno if i should wait for a more 'PvE' wep.

Комментарий от Thottbot

i saw some lvl 39 mage twink with this enchant AND staff of jordan

Комментарий от Thottbot

I hav 39 twink mage with staff of jordon and i have this enchant on it :D totally own in BG's 3 shoting non-twinkies

Комментарий от Thottbot

of course, low lvl pvp is a different story ;)

Комментарий от Thottbot

Mats at site are wrong.
Changed with 2.2 patch and now are:
12x Void Crystal
10x Large Prismatic Shard
8x Greater Planar Essence
6x Primal Fire
1x Primal Might

(you can ramove my comment after fix that)

Комментарий от Thottbot

This doesn't apply a 'fiery' glow to my Blood-Maw Magus Blade. Kind of upsetting, but oh well.

Комментарий от Thottbot

i put sunfire on my mindbalde i got 2days ago, after i got the dagger the only thing i was thinking about was putting an enchant on that bad boi! so i decided to put sunfire on. luckly alot of people in my guild helped me out with the matts some gave me the void crystal's others the shards or the essenence's and my friend even suplied the primal might =D so over all it didnt cost me alot to get this. if ur got a nice guild like i do and are willing to help you out..get it lol the only thing im upset about is...it doesnt glow! a chant with thos kind of matts should at least glow! cmon! =D

Комментарий от Thottbot

It doesnt glow because u already got a weapon that glows.

Комментарий от Thottbot

This enchant does glow, and it looks awesome! check out soem of the pictures (screen shots) anove. urs may not glow becasue u havea wep that already glows. then it won't show up. that, or it's gliched. i've had a wep that i put an icey on b4, and it didn't glow, i asked blizz about this and the fixecd it.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I'm now trying to get the mats for this enchant (very expensive) need void crystals now. do they drop from epic instances, like off bosses? or do enchanters have to disenchant things inorder to get these? help me out here...pleas and ty :D

Комментарий от Thottbot

I wouldn't say that this is a popular enchant, but that is because the mats are extremly expensive for anyone not in a mature raiding guild that banks/shares out disenchanted shards. I can do it, and the only customer so far has has been me!

It certainly should be +54 like Soulfrost to register as an appreciable upgrade on the extremely popular +40. I can also do Soulfrost and quite a few people get that.

If you spec fire, you will rarely care about losing a little damage from frostbolt. In fact I only use Rank 1 frostbolt anyway if I need that ranged snare effect.

Having said that, I'd rather have +1000 damage than +990. On a long fight, it will add up and if you have a an epic weapon to use in PvE like Mindbalde, it's worth aiming for the best.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Hrm...full arcane with this. I can see great things in store for me.

Комментарий от Thottbot

OK, lets do a quick calc on what this will cost you:

(approximate Bronzebeard EU prices, YMMV)

12 void crystals (finally a use for this junk!) - 300g
10 Large Prismatics - 250g
8 Greater Planars - 64g
6 Primal Fire - 120g
1 Primal Might - 80g

These are prices on a good day. Especially prices on Prismatics, PrimFires and Mights tend to rise a bit higher.

Grand total for this enchant (again, for a good day at the AH - and not counting tip for enchanter):

814g

OK, this is top-of the line for spell damage as far as it goes for weapons, but it it really worth it? IMO, no.

For one, compare with Major Spellpower - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=22555/формула-чар-для-оружия-сила-заклинаний-ii - which costs 8 Large Prisms and 8 G. Planars (with the same prices as above, that would total 264g). So roughly, you get 25% more spell damage for triple the price (+200%) - total bang-for-buck compared to Major Spellpower us as such 41% (anything below 100% is worse than whatever is being compared with). Plus the fact that you do NOT get the added damage for frost, shadow, holy and nature damage. This is strictly for fire and arcane fire mages, and you are screwed if you decide to respec (or your raid guild decides for you).

Also, calculate how much +50 damage does in use. Assume a fire Mage with 5x improved fireball (3 sec cast) during an 8-minute Curator fight. Thats a constant 20 fireballs a minute (optimistic, but assume this to be true for the sake of argument). Thats 160 fireballs during the entire fight, thus a max bonus damage from the enchant 8000 dmg (= 1000 dmg a minute).

The Curator has 690k hp. 8k/690k = 1,16% (%age is less for the even bigger bosses...). Note: Four fireball crits on a well-geared fire mage delivers approximately the same punch as this enchant.

Sure, you can also stack the bonus dmg higher with Empowered Fireball, but thats a mediocre 15% on top and honestly to factor that in would be going beyond the margin...

Using a Major Spellpower on weapon instead would give you 6400 bonus dmg in an 8-minute fight, but to repeat, at a third the cost. Much better bang-for-buck, but still not worth it, IMNSHO.

Summary: You must BADLY need spell DMG, and you need to be wading in gold to justify buying this enchant. The people in your town will do doubt say "OOOOOOOH" when they inspect you, but those who knows the mats requirements might add "that guys has too much money.... 1 g plz"...

And it looks nice, but who the f would pay 800g for looks?

(Also - 814 g will buy 9 of your friends their first mount).

Last addition, I'm myself sticking to +30 int on my staff (you guessed it, i'm an Arcfire mage). The mats costs are around 80g, but 30 int gives me almost 500 mana (which is enough to squeeze off 1 extra fireball at lvl 70, rank 13), and that gives anywhere from 1500 dmg (low normal hit) to 4000-something (high crit).

Комментарий от Thottbot

After having read the comments posted above and having been apart of a raiding guild for the last 2 or so months I have concluded that this enchnant is worth it. It costs a lot of mats but if you run heroics, which you should be, you can accumulate voids and LPSs from disenchants off boss drops. When you get a good epic staff or main hand that you wont replace till Mount H. or BT (if you get there) why would you not get this? If you dont know what im talking about in the above sentances, you dont need this enchant, if you are in a raiding guild and the mindblade or the blade off of Gruul drops or you upgrade your Glad. staff to S2 or S3 GET THIS. Money is worthless in endgame and exists for this very purpose, to pay stupid high prices for stupid small gains, but in the end the .3% damage increase it gives you is .3% damage more then you had before and that is the goal.

Комментарий от Thottbot

your all talking about how a fire mage never uses frost spells in a raid. well if you were a hard core raider. wtf are you going to do when it comes time to fight alar? i mean i have sunfire on my mindblade. but i have soulfrost on my magus blade. having sunfire is nice if you have that option. but once you fight guys where fire is not an option your shafting yourself to go with this chant over +40. and yea there is always arcane against those bosses. but lets face it. frost is 100% better in a raid then full arcane. like they say. fire is a better spec against alar than arcane anymore.

Комментарий от Thottbot

The enchant just dropped for me today, pretty sweet. As a deep fire raiding mage in a guild just starting Hyjal, I'd love to throw it on my mindblade, but there are too many upgrades and it costs a truckload of mats. Not worth it unless used on epic epics.

Комментарий от Thottbot

true sunfire is a bad ass chant but anyone else think that blizz was bull#$%^ing when they made it so u need a primal might for sunfire adn not soulfrost

Комментарий от Lolumbine

A primal might and 12 void crystals for 10 more spell power? Hard pass

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