Not tryin to affend you Tiga cause obviously you feel pretty strongly about what you said..I just find it funny that all these people rag on this sword as an offhand when not one of them has actually tried it.. And I am raiding with combat Potency with another rogue who has Latro's in his offhand and that's why I keep arguing this. Cause you can do all the speculating you want but until you try it you won't know for sure. Try it man and then tell me what you just said. (1000gold isn't that much nowadays.. : )

Комментарий от 40482

Look man, I'm not gonna do all your math problems when I've already read the dps meter (updated for TBC) and found out which weapon is better. And btw it wasn't just one raid night that I tried it was numerous instances, raids and solo sessions. But lets just agree to disagree, I got my mind made up, and your obviously just gonna be insulting because your so sure of yourself that felsteel sux, so lets just leave it at that k? Hope your happy with the weakest damage wise sword in the game : ).

Комментарий от 40482

Exactly the reason why I'm gonna stop arguing it. I've tried to prove my point and to tell you the truth, the only people's opinions that I care about are my raiding buddies. So thanks for the input but I gotta agree to disagree.

Комментарий от 22271

I had one of these crafted the other day. The materials are:

10 Khorium bars (~13g each)
8 Primal Mights (~90g each or free if you're an Alchemist)
2 Primal Nether (~200g each)
+ tip

The roadblock to crafting this weapon (and all other Blacksmithing weapons) are the Primal Nethers, since they (a) are Bind on Pickup (b) only drop in Heroic instances and (c) are used by the Blacksmith to craft is own BoP weapons.

Now for a few notes. Quite clearly there are much better offhands and mainhands - craftable ones too, check out the Dirge (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=23555) and Runic Hammer (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=23544). In regard to Combat Potency, I myself have Latro's and use it for long fights where the energy regeneration is vital. However, for casual farming (where encounters last 15 seconds) there is no noticable difference save for bigger white offhand numbers. Also, forget about Shiv, since it now costs 42 energy.

So, why get it? If you have terrible luck in instances (by the time I had transmuted all my primals, Reflex Blades still hadn't dropped), it can be a make-do mainhand. What about the Vindicator's Brand? Collecting the token turn-ins for Aldor rep will require phenomenally more farming time than the materials for the Longblade. If you choose to buy tokens, the cost will be at least twice that of this weapon. Above all, the Vindicator's Brand is one of the ugliest swords in the game (Latro's is pretty hideous too), which brings me to my main motivation for purchasing this:

Once you have it, you will be the coolest Troll on the beach, since the Longblade is one of the select 1-handed weapons which sheathe on your back. Everyone will ask where you got it and how they can get one too. Plus you will save a fortune on Savoury Deviate Delights by instantly transforming into a ninja with your trusty Longblade and Stealther's Helm of Second Sight.

Комментарий от 40482

I just want to say one more thing, regarding Latro's vs felsteel. Tiga and Bipfrommannoroth, I agree with you both that Latro's is a better offhand than felsteel IF you use combat potency as your spec, say 20/41/0 or something. But that isn't my spec. I'm 28/33/0 because that way you have adrenaline rush, blade fury, cold blood, and seal fate. An instant crit every 2 minutes and 5 combo points allll the time is way better imo than an occasional 25 energy. So since my offhand is not based off of speed for my spec then I want it to hit as hard as possible. I tried combat potency and even with Latro's it was ok but not near as good as having seal fate and cold blood. Ok, asking you to buy felsteel just to try it was unreasonable but asking you to respec for 10 gold isn't. Try it out, having four great cooldowns instead of just two is awesome and perfect for raiding. Come on, instant 3000 evicerate every two minutes and then another one right after that cause of seal fate. *clutch*

Комментарий от 29145

Im a fury spec warrior and Ive just crafted this.

I would only add that from a warrior perspective this is a nice sword purely because of the high damage range which when combined with rage dump abilities like execute means u deliver really really big hits (5500 crits) and thats special for a 1H weapon.
Yes you can get better but the final factor is lets be honest to of em sheathed is going to look the dogs !! and stick a nice shiney enchant on em - even better ...

Комментарий от 50956

The materials required to produce this sword have been reduced, it now only takes 10 Felsteel bars, 8 Primal Might and 2 Primal Nether. Blizzard must have thought the original amount of materials, 10 Khorium Bars, 10 Felsteel bars, 6 Primal Might and 8 Primal Nether was a little harsh for a weapon of such calibre.

Комментарий от 51440

When was the Khorium Bars added to the material list?? anyone know?? thats kinda messed up but yet atm Im writing this my friend says it doesnt call for them whats right???

nevermind...just read a post....next patch ? /sigh

Комментарий от 63563

Does this sword get the visual effect from enchants such as Mongoose?

Комментарий от 34251

Being the Shaman who farmed for 2 x Fel Edged Battleaxes for looks (for the most part anyway), I'm tempted to get these x 2 for my Rogue alt.

But the damage penalty will probably hurt a lot more than on my Shaman.

Комментарий от 66617

The mats for the swords has been drastically reduced, which makes them a fair bid for anyone, including a hunter. I have 1 made already, and in the process of farming the mats for the other. It's not that bad at all, if your guild has a couple miners you can get the bars in no time, I got all my felsteel and khorium within 3 days. The farming part is a piece of cake, take an hour, pop in a cd and you have the mats for the might. Find a transmute specced alchy and you could have your mats even sooner! Only thing is that you can be charged in upwards of 450g for the nether, which isn't too bad considering that if you're going to dual wield, you'll probably never replace these until you get into extremely high end stuff. Not to mention they look sick sheathed :D

Комментарий от 68011

i've made 2 of these, and trying to decide whether to use them, or sell them. . if i use them i will be a DW fury dps warrior in kara and gruuls. .

advice please ^^

Комментарий от 4723

Speaking completely from a rogue perspective, it would be a decent main hand weapon, but not the greatest as many people have pointed out because of its somewhat fast speed.

And if you're looking for a great off-hand weapon, why not get a Dirge crafted instead? The two weapons cost the exact same amount in materials and I'm sure there's going to be someone who can craft it on your server. Here's a link to the Dirge:

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=23555

1.4 weapon speed, some nice attack power and crit rating. Only thing you'd be missing is the Stamina from the Felsteel Longblade, but you can easily make that up in other areas.

Комментарий от 31854

I gathered the mats for this and was going to get it crafted, but i was thinking...Would it be better to use it in the offhand with, lets say a Spiteblade in the main hand. Or use this in the main hand with Merciless Gladiator Quickblade in the off hand. If it matters, either way both weapons would be Mongoosed.

Комментарий от Yezmina

I have waded through the absolute muck of posts of several websites that let users post and one thing is for certain: most people agree that the Felsteel Longblade is not the best weapon for Rogue, that it is just ok for Hunters and a good weapon for Warriors depending on spec.

I would like to discuss this weapon from a Combat Sword Rogue POV but offer something completely different: * The Many Reasons Why You Would* get these blades.

* The Many Reasons Why You Would*

1.) PVP Battlegrounds is not for you. (Grand Marshall’s)
2.) PVP Arena is not for you. (Gladiator’s Slicer)
3.) You chose Scryers instead of Aldor. (Vindicator’s Brand)
4.) You do not want to farm Aldor rep for months. (Vindicator’s Brand)
5.) You are not a Blacksmith with a specialization in Swordsmithing. (Fireguard)
6.) You have not been extremely lucky with random world drops. (Blindstrike)
7.) Your server has a wildly over-priced Auction House. (Any Bind on Equip)
8.) You were not lucky enough to get Latro’s Shifting Sword on your pass, or several passes, through Black Morass. (Instance runs into BM are generally very rare on most servers.)
9.) You are not in a Raiding Guild and/or have not earned Kharazan or Serpentshrine Cavern yet. (Spiteblade)

* The Many Important Reasons Why You Would*

1.) Good looks. As many have discussed before me, the Felsteel Longblade is arguably the best looking sword of its type both wielded and sheathed. Many people find the looks of their character to be an important factor when choosing gear.
2.) It is actually a highly ranked weapon for Rogues on many weapon comparison charts, despite the questionable mathematics or flawed damage meters that some people swear by. Level: 105 / 83.4 DPS / +26 AGI / +15 STA / Speed: 2.20. It is obvious that the sword is too fast for main hand and too slow for off hand though most people would agree that the raw DPS is, at least, on par or better than most of the rare swords in its class.
3.) The most important reason by far is: control. You are completely in control of the acquisition. A player will be able to farm the MATs for this sword very easily and/or purchase them from the Auction House. There are, usually, at least a few people happy to use their Nethers for a fee.

* Recommendations *
1.) Enchantments. I strongly recommend the Mongoose enchant for this, and all other, swords for Combat Rogue.
2.) Use these swords for regular PVE and instances while working on getting one of the ultimate sets like: Blindstrike + Latro’s Shifting Sword.

I hope this post dispels some of the random nonsense and inaccuracies. I will always carry my Felsteel Longblades especially in town…

- Yezmina
Guild Master of Ill Gotten Gains, Blackhand

Комментарий от 81697

Managed to finally get mine last night, dont do the same thing I did and not find a blacksmith to make it pattern, I had to finally buy the pattern for 750g and have a blacksmith buddy make it for me, very low drop rate on it. For combat Swords this is a great sword. cost me around 1200g to make. Put Mongoose on it and it procs everyfight, that extra 3% crit chance is always good to have. Have fun anyone trying to get this,

Комментарий от 46193

Absolutely, sport those babies everywhere I'd go. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course, but show me a better sword for a rogue that mounts on your back, instead of on your side. That alone makes it worth spending 1200-1500G on it! For sure. Yes. Hey! Yes it does. Throw a little Mongoose on there, and you've got one (or two!!!) pimped out swords. Especially if you want to LOOK like a Ninja, let alone be one as good as me.

Комментарий от 68650

a pain to find anyone to craft one....If anyone can craft one on Bonechewer server send a message to Kithkanan
gonna try and get 2 to DW now just the problem of finding a BS to craft them

Комментарий от 90663

plz to all BSers who craft this sword on Tarren Mill server (horde side) send a message to Zeuq ...
us u said Kithkanan , it's a pain to find some 1 who craft them , i've been searching for BSers 2 weeks ago , but there isnt any : /

Комментарий от 91294

Just a nod of appreciation to Yezmina's perspective, along with all the information presented in this thread. Also, a couple additional related points.

For a rogue with a spec other than combat (say Subtely mixed with a dose of assassination), while offhand weapon speed is still best kept low (meaning fast), this seems less critical than in a combat build. The relatively high DPS of the Felsteel Longblade could compensate for the relatively slow speed of the weapon as an offhand, especially paired with its agility bonus? If we compare any weapon to the top in its class it will fall short of course, but if one has access to the longblade (with more gold say than luck in loot rolls), why not pick one up and make the most of it. If "time is money, friends!" as oft heard in Booty Bay, then paying for a weapon that will help you slay monsters faster while working towards obtaining your dream weapon of the moment could well be worthwhile.

Also, if one wishes to avoid the more cartoonish of weapon appearances (despite the cartoonish appearance of our characters :P ), then a choice of Felblade over somewhat superior items (in terms of raw utility in combat) can be tolerated. If a new ultimate pair of pants were to drop for rogues, but with the appearance of purple legs extending from hot pink bikinishorts, how many would forego them for armour with somewhat lesser stats? :P

The Felblade is clearly not the best weapon for rogues, but might be the best weapon available for a particular rogue at a given point in time, and perhaps for a longer time for one not specced in combat.

Комментарий от Fireblood

On back with dual Mongoose

Комментарий от Fallout

Yezmina, while you phrase your reply respectfully, you gloss over a few points and run into fallacy on a few others. To quote yourself, "I respect your words and find valued accuracy in SOME of it". Emphasis on some.

"Your raw DPS will be on par with most others with similar gears and often much better."

You have nothing to prove this other than your word. Others have several charts to prove that this is a marginal upgrade over an easy MH (Edge of the Cosmos), and a downgrade in your OH (Latro's). Most instances are 'somewhat difficult', pending your group's skill. That said, unless your server is completely backwards and retarded, I find getting into a complete run being an impossibility a bit hard to grasp. Nobody gets attuned to Karazhan anymore? Nobody wants an Hourglass, or several other pieces of quality gear from there? Honestly, I can't believe anybody can really justify getting this sword if they at all have a few hours in their day. If you can run an instance, do so and get a superior weapon for less.

"And finally, I believe the primary difference is not heavily relient on gear - skill will make up it in the end."

Past keeping up SnD and mashing SS, with a couple variants on CP use, how does skill play into PVE DPS? Honestly, much of the skill in PVE DPS comes from not ending up with yourself being dead. To quote Sebudai, "It's pretty easy to figure out how much DPS you're doing as a corpse on the ground."

Short of that, it's kicking spellcasts and.. not a whole lot else. If you're taking sub-optimal weapons because they look pretty, all the 'skill' in the game isn't going to do dick for you when most anybody else that's marginally intelligent can do the same, except better because their weapons aren't vanity pieces... or maybe in the case of nearly any of the raiding/pvp upgrades, they are... on top of being functionally better.

RP Weapons or Weapons for those that can't AFK PVP, Lose 10 games a week or get into a half decent instance group.

Комментарий от 96294

I actually REGISTERD! to this site, just because i found your post so beyond ridicioulus that i had to put things straight.

I mean there is alot of things wrong with it (such as the following statement, My final point is this: for Combat Sword Spec Rogue twin equipping these blades is not only worth it but a lot of fun too. Your raw DPS will be on par with most others with similar gears and often much better. And finally, I believe the primary difference is not heavily relient on gear - skill will make up it in the end.)

No, it is not worth twin equipping these blades, its not even worth equipping these blades. Your 'raw dps' will be lower than a rogue with same equipment as you, but using aldor sword+ latro's, theres no way around that. Its just the way game mechanics works. Also, pve skill |_o|_. Its really hard to keep a slice and dice+rupture rotation up, really hard.

But the thing that made me register here, and comment, was the following:

As for getting Exalted with Aldor, a couple of weeks is purely inaccurate, and the reported duration by most people asked was a minimum of several months of continuous effort.

What the shi-? several months of continuous effort? Maybe, if said person was a person with 3 jobs, and a sleeping disorder, so he found no time for wow apart from logging in then falling asleep on the keyboard, he could use over a month, but even that is pushing it. If you put your mind to it, getting exalted with aldor is something done in 2~3 days. I personaly know several rogues who pulled off the revered- exalted grind (21k rep) in 1 day at the start of TBC.

Now that that is said though, it is in fact alot easier to just grind gold, and buy the items for reputation. Say you start at 2999/3000 neutral, and you decide to BUY your way up to exalted. I just checked AH, and the sargeras marks goes for 3g pr 5 mark or so, that was the majority atleast. so if you need 39 000 rep, 1 mark is 25 rep, that means you need 1560 marks, 1 mark costs about 60 silver, so *0.6 and you end up with having to pay a grand total of 936 gold. If you do daily quests, wich is about an hour or two a day, and acumulate like 150~200g a day, you youl be done in about a week. But to be honest you can easily grind 936 gold in 1 day, if you put your mind to it.

Комментарий от Fatality

Would this be a good weapon for a fury warrior? If so, what would be a good weapon to go with it?

Комментарий от GoGoGodzilla

I'm going to get two made for my warrior.

I'm really only concerned with the fact that it looks cool. I know there's better weapons out there and I know that there are better options for my fury DW.

But I don't care. It's shiny and looks cool and sheathes in a cool way. Also, thanks for the screenshot that shows the lifestealing enchant! I think that's exactly what I'm going to get, because I think it'll match the Doomplate set quite nicely.

... except the Doomplate helm. Screw you, heroic Durnholde. Even I don't hate myself that much.

Комментарий от 146822

i got the plans from the AH for 500g made the blade for under 150g had most of the matts saved from other blacksmithing items sold the blade in the end for 1200g a nice little profit to me

Комментарий от Thelion

Also with a Lifestealing enchant it looks almost like Skullforge Reaver and it also sits on your back like it.

Комментарий от 156493

What amazes me in a way are all the complaints about the material costs and "effort" needed to farm it. Seriously, you can farm everything in one day if you got some luck with khorium mines and any miner should have enough common sense to keep some khorium for themselves. It is v. easy now as well with primal nethers being not BOP anymore and the cost is less than what you earn for one day dailies.

Good choice for alts if you cannot be arsed to farm BGs anymore, also at least you do not look like every other character out there with BG epix.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Koge - Night Elf Warrior in The Venture Co-EU can make this one.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Dude, this sword is friggin sweet, its like made for Hunters or Rogues, slap an agi +15 on 'em for hunters or a Mongoose Enchants for rogues, (which is like crusader, chance on hit raise agility by 120 for a limited time) pwnage.

:)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Can make this on Thrall

PST - (H) TwoDollars

Edited, Nov 3rd 2007 11:28am by masterpmi

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Hello! I'm PHYDOUX. I'm on Altar of Storms, alliance side. If you are on AOS and can craft this sword, let me know. I have all the mats necessary to make it. I'll reimburse you for the Primal Nether. Thanks!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Loviator on Blade's Edge Alliance can make these.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This is craftable by Deathmckilly
Alliance Silvermoon-US
{SRA}

Комментарий от Allakhazam

LF BS to craft 2X Felsteel Longblades, my mats + your nether (will pay for your nether + tip ofcourse), mail me -

Hasnain - lv 68 warrior (Darkmoonfaire Eu Server)

or email, - phoenix867@gmail.com

thanks.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Can craft this blade on Shadowmoon EU - Horde side
Kuhulin (orc, war)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

double post

Edited, Apr 21st 2007 2:11pm by Draeny

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Can craft this on Scarlet Crusade Alliance.
Message Easymac in game or you can email me at Aaron1992@alltel.net if your a hordie and want it crafted

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Looking for a crafter on Dalaran, Alliance side. I have the mats ready. Send an in-game mail to Kassidie please. Thank you.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

On http://www.realmhistory.net you can view who can craft this on your realm or add yourself as a crafter

Комментарий от Allakhazam

looking to buy 2 of these on Alliance side

Lotusninja

Uther

Комментарий от Allakhazam

i can craft this on Thunderhorn-EU, /w Bodoron

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Whirlsmashem Troll Warrior
Server - Trollbane
I have this pattern. Need to farm out some nethers to make it on a regular basis, but if you contact me in game, I'm sure I can work something out with you.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

can craft this on Skullcrusher horde side. e-mai or whisper in game Fockthrall

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Im a lvl 365 Blacksmith on Horde side In Cenarion Circle. I can Craft for you. Gimme a tell.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

pm BamBamBoom on horde side
i can also craft felsteel reaper and fel hardened maul

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Saccins on runetotem can craft on alliance side.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Joshenne, Alliance side on Sisters of Elune has this Pattern for crafting and I'm working on stockpile of nethers for it.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

mmmm Nice.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Found plans off random mob and want to sell on server Dragonblight either Theassassin or Sneekstab PST with offers or send me a ingame mail and we will talk.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Mats aren't that bad...it would take a day or two of farming and a few instances but that's about it really. Also looking for someone to craft on Shadowsong realm (Horde side) Find me on Beyu or Pary...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

i can craft this
name: cigaro
server: alleria
faction: alliance

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I'm crafting these on Darkspear, Horde side, 70 Troll Rogue named Kaij.

Need to get some more Nethers but I'll do 200g + your mats or 2500g mine.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I want this so badly. Please send a message or letter to Zenagia, Emerald Dream, Horde

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I can craft this baby. Gimme a call =)

sn: puddingpopp

server: destromath

fraction: alliance

Комментарий от Allakhazam

LF BS on Skywall Alliance to make 2 of these. Have mats already.

In-game mail to Nakaruru, or contact anyone of Wolfsbane Guild to reach me on my alts.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

WTB This one on Aerie Peak server /w Manusdei

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Able to craft this on Scilla alliance pst me for more info

Lightbolt-alliance

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I have mats for 2 of these on Stonemaul Horde wisper Toco or send me an ingame mail and let me know if u can make em. Dont want to pay more than 125g per nether.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I can make this for the Alliance on the "The Venture Co."(EU) server

Комментарий от Allakhazam

looking for maker, Alliance side on Draenor -EU, columbus

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I am currently Looking for someone on Kil' Jaeden to craft one of these for me I have all the mats but nether if i could use your nether that would be great

Name-Warstomper
Send a letter or pm me

Thx

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I can craft Felsteel Longblade on Mug'thol Alliance side PST or g-mail.
Thanks
Dumathoin

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I can craft this on Khadgar us alliance as well as Dirge, name in game is Artorious. Send me a tell and i can send you a price quote back, or meet me with your mats and just pay for my nethers and crafting.
Cheers

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I'm looking or someone on Aszune, Alliance side who can craft this weapon.
I have the mats, just give me a whisper if you can make them.
Character name is Ongkar

Комментарий от Allakhazam

sorry about double post >.<

Edited, Feb 3rd 2007 8:54pm by Wanttosellplans

Комментарий от Allakhazam

somone who can craftthis plese post a dressingroom pic, or at least a rough description

thanks

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I can make this.

Shadimar- Lothar Alliance.

selling for around 2500g with my mats, 1500g combine (2 Primal Nether + combine charge)

Send me a tell or ingame mail. Shadimar/Khitajrah

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Looking for someone who can make these horde side of Twisting Nether send a mail to Arigeth

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Josiah on Ursin Horde side can craft teh Felsteel Longblade

Комментарий от Allakhazam

can make this and khorium champion on eu server moonglade alliance/w delz ingame

Комментарий от Allakhazam

i can make this sword.
Anub'arak-Horde
pst Cozy

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Can anyone make this for me on (US)Sentinals? I will pay 200g for the nether, and will have all the mats if/when I gets a post

Talk to Khantinda, Horde side

Edited, Nov 3rd 2007 4:09pm by BigOleCharlie

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Want to buy two of these on Dragonmaw.
Horde - Dumdum
(Or you could contact my brother, Banner - alliance)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Crafting by Draeny
Alliance Lightbringer-US

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Picture

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Looking for someone on Boulderfist to craft this for me.

Horde Side.

I have all mats but nether. Please send whisper or mail to Theblackwolf

Комментарий от Allakhazam

need someone to make me this on duskwood pst seleon have all mats

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Wonder how much people are charging to craft this...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Looking for someone to craft this on Tarren Mill -EU ally side

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I can make This on Khaz modan alliance send a tell ingame to xonerate if interested.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

looking for someone that can craft this on Greymane Server horde side. I can farm or buy mats + pay for your primal nether and crafting fee. send tell.
-Oxx-

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I, Kulahn, can smith this on Lothar. Horde side. Cause of the Nether Requirements it's kind of a pain to "provide mats." So if you're willing to help me run the heroics to get the Primal Nethers, then we can work out a lower price. Hit me up if you're interested.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I can make this on Silvermoon (Alliance) Eu server /w Marilix

Edited, Sep 12th 2007 12:49am by Marilix

Комментарий от Thottbot

Latro's is a better (and much, much cheaper) offhand, blinkstrike or aldor sword is just as good a main hand. 2.2 Speed is shoddy.

Комментарий от Thottbot

This sucks for rogues, Its a waste of money, only takes a few weeks to get gladiator offhand...

Комментарий от Thottbot

I have waded through the absolute muck of posts of several websites that let users post and one thing is for certain: most people agree that the Felsteel Longblade is not the best weapon for Rogue, that it is just ok for Hunters and a good weapon for Warriors depending on spec.

I would like to discuss this weapon from a Combat Sword Rogue POV but offer something completely different: * The Many Reasons Why You Would* get these blades.

* The Many Reasons Why You Would *

1.) PVP Battlegrounds is not for you. (Grand Marshall’s)
2.) PVP Arena is not for you. (Gladiator’s Slicer)
3.) You chose Scryers instead of Aldor. (Vindicator’s Brand)
4.) You do not want to farm Aldor rep for months. (Vindicator’s Brand)
5.) You are not a Blacksmith with a specialization in Swordsmithing. (Fireguard)
6.) You have not been extremely lucky with random world drops. (Blindstrike)
7.) Your server has a wildly over-priced Auction House. (Any Bind on Equip)
8.) You were not lucky enough to get Latro’s Shifting Sword on your pass, or several passes, through Black Morass. (Instance runs into BM are generally very rare on most servers.)
9.) You are not in a Raiding Guild and/or have not earned Kharazan or Serpentshrine Cavern yet. (Spiteblade)

* The Many Important Reasons Why You Would *

1.) Good looks. As many have discussed before me, the Felsteel Longblade is arguably the best looking sword of its type both wielded and sheathed. Many people find the looks of their character to be an important factor when choosing gear.
2.) It is actually a highly ranked weapon for Rogues on many weapon comparison charts, despite the questionable mathematics or flawed damage meters that some people swear by. Level: 105 / 83.4 DPS / +26 AGI / +15 STA / Speed: 2.20. It is obvious that the sword is too fast for main hand and too slow for off hand though most people would agree that the raw DPS is, at least, on par or better than most of the rare swords in its class.
3.) The most important reason by far is: control. You are completely in control of the acquisition. A player will be able to farm the MATs for this sword very easily and/or purchase them from the Auction House. There are, usually, at least a few people happy to use their Nethers for a fee.

* Recommendations *

1.) Enchantments. I strongly recommend the Mongoose enchant for this, and all other, swords for Combat Rogue.
2.) Use these swords for regular PVE and instances while working on getting one of the ultimate sets like: Blindstrike + Latro’s Shifting Sword.

I hope this post dispels some of the random nonsense and inaccuracies. I will always carry my Felsteel Longblades especially in town…

- Yezmina
Guild Master of Ill Gotten Gains, Blackhand

Комментарий от Thottbot

<Stolen from the rogueforums, i'm no numberwizz>

Thought I'd do the maths behind this to show why Felsteel Longblade is considered a bad choice for Rogues.

I am not factoring in misses, parries, dodges etc as it's not needed to show the difference between weapons, unless a particular weapon has a +HIT stat on it, which neither of the swords in the example given do.

Firstly, white damage:

Duration = 1minute.

Felsteel Longblade
27 hits, each doing an average of 185.36 damage (128 - 239 damage range + 26AP from the AGI)
Total damage = 5004.64

Edge of the Cosmos
23 hits, each doing an average of 188.64 damage (130 - 243 damage range + 30AP)
Total damage = 4338.79

So on base white damage, Felsteel Longblade is a lot better.

Sinister Strikes
I'll assume full points in Lethality, Aggression and Surprise Attacks.
So the formula would be as follows:

* 1.06) * 1.1] * 2.3 = Damage

Normalized Weapon Speed = 2.4 as SS is an instant attack.

I'll assume a base AP of 1500.

If you only SS during the course of a fight and your timing is perfect, then you can expect to hit 18 SS's in one minute (20 energy regen per 2 secs, not including any talents/potions etc that will regen energy for you)

So SS damage as follows:

Felsteel Longblade
18 SS hits @ 1444.53 average damage per hit = 26001.54

Edge of the Cosmos
18 SS hits @ 1452.58 average damage per hit = 26146.44

Total damage for both swords:

Felsteel Longblade
26001.54 + 5004.64 = 31006.18

Edge of the Cosmos
26146.44 + 4338.79 = 30485.23

So given perfect circumstances, Felsteel Longblade will just about out damage Edge of the Cosmos.
But considering the cost/time involved in getting each one, Edge of the Cosmos is a clear favourite.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I just got mine today and put mongoose on it. For me it made an incredible difference over the Ced's Carver I had. I went combat sword spec. Wow way more DPS than Sub. But that is another story.

I know some people complain about the SLIGHT increase in speed mongoose grants, but when you add slice-n-dice and blade furry + 10% haste to helmet it really adds up. Insane white damage and white damage does matter when in an instance and looking at over all DPS for extended fights. I finally out dps'ed a mage in Arc and BM.

As for the sword. I like the looks of it, I like the damage and I like the stats. So for people like me who dont get to go on these epic raids it is perfect. I f you dont do arena, and you dont have heroic keys, again it if perfect. In fact the main value of this sword is that you can farm the mats and have one made even if you are not in a raiding guild. This sword is for that person with the unlucky rolls, trouble finding groups, can't stand arenas and no heroic keys.

Love it or hate it, this is a weapon you are not ashamed to carry around and use in a group. And with mongoose you will do your fair share of DPS and wont look bad on the meters.

I grined all the materal for the sword and mongoose in around 3 weeks or so. For some people it will take less, for some longer. Either way in far less time than farming rep from that annoying Consortium, you can have an epic sword that looks better than the consortium's dagger and hits harder.

Yes it is worth the weeks of grinding and finding someone who is willing to admit they can make it then empty your wallet on the nethers.

I have the Scryers dagger in the off hand and this combination works for me and after all what works for you is what is really important.

IronDog

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Pre-kara, sword rogues should just earn Aldor rep and purchase a Vindicator's Blade and use it as their main-hand as far as I'm concerned (non-Aldor rogues should go buy Blinkstrike). Put Latro's Shifiting Sword in the off-hand, period.

After you get those swords, your first priority is to pu Mongoose Enchants on both of them!

The look nice, but that's about it, if looks are all that matter, go buy (or make) two Longblades and just wear them in town. Don't hinder yourself by actually USING them combat.

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Yeah it is pricey but the thing is, you don't have to roll for it and loose to a priest or or some other person who would not benefit from a weapon with agility lol.

For me as a pre-Kara rogue it does just fine. In fact I have 2 now. The speed is alright. It does apply poisons well and shiv is only 42 energy instead of the 40 energy of the retainers blade I had so no big deal there. I have Mongoose on one and +15 agility on the one in my off hand.

Fact is; anyone who can afford it and want it is gonna make it so no sense getting emotional over who has it. At lvl 70 gold is so easy to come by that anyone who wants it can get the gold. Hardest part is finding a blacksmith willing to make it. Took me longer to get a blacksmith to do it than grinding the mats and gold. Still it is worth it.

Update:
Duel wielding these my Damage range is 355-467. I dropped 4 mobs, lvl 70, 69,69,70 who tried to gang bang me by using blade fury and slice n dice and lost less then 2k health. I can kill much faster than with the retainers blade in my off hand. So I would say (not being nasty at all) before you knock this sword, get one or two, actually equip them and use them. Some people will like it some wont. But I still think it is a good multi-class all purpose sword until you get a better one.

My 2 cents.

Iron

Update:
Wow I have never seen anything that makes people go all emo like this sword. So far I have had people swear at me, berate me, call me all kinds of names just for walking by with them. Everyone wants to tell me how bad they are even though not a single one of them have used it.

In Kara with a good epic'ed group I came in 2nd place in DPS. In Mana Tombs, Sethekk Halls and Arcatraz I was 1st place. Up from 4th place before I got them. My DPS is up with the mages and warlocks so they cant be that bad.

I think the problem may be our education system and the lack of focus on basic math. People look at the speed and think, (or fail to think) and try to base how well a weapon is on faulty figures.

But honestly do any of us really know how blizzard figures DPS mathematics or how the under lying programs really work? I don't and I don't care. All I care about is my dps has improved greatly by having these swords.

You have to figure in the type of poison used, the skills of the player and the bonuses they get from gear and enchants. Then factor in the + attack speed bonuses from items like my cape +26 haste rating, Helm +10 haste rating SnD 30% attack speed Set bonus from assassinations set 160 haste rating, and Blade flurry 20% attack speed. My sword speed is 1.25 when I all of these are active. This makes them faster than most daggers for a few seconds, applying a massive dose of poison and physical DPS. So I am bringing a lot of DPS through the number of hits I am landing and poisons applied. Then factor in the crits and tell me my swords suck as you lie dead at my feed. Yea my sword really suck...for you.

Just ranting because I am tired of noobs who don't have a rogue and have never tried these swords swearing at me. If they don't work for you then that is ok. They are not for everyone. They are better for constant DPS in long boss fights and rogues who depend more on high sustainable white damage rather than occasional high crits. D

Oh there is one last factor you have to take into consideration before whispering to me to tell me what an a$$@#%*! I am for having them. This is the most important of all: Who paid for my account.

End of rant

Комментарий от Thottbot

This sword is a multi-purpose multi-class sword. Kinda like a standard infantry government issue. It is not uber great but not bad. Anyone who can swing a blade can use it.

That being said I think a fury warrior would benefit more from something like a kings defender. But if this is all a fury warrior has available he/she can still go into battle with confidence and will have a good showing on the DPS meters.

As for rogues. Use poison, imp slice and dice and blade flurry along with some haste enchants on the head, gloves and pants if possible and you wont be afraid to fling yourselves recklessly into battle.

So in short, it will work for either class equally well

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Ok every talks about O these swords are garbage O they not worth it... i say cry me a river.... Before i started to lvl my rogue i was ina group on my pallie in arcs and i see this avg. geared rogue but she had these 2 with mongoose enchant and she killed !@#$ i was like wow i would rather grind mats for this then run something over and over and and over again just to be outrolled by A emo druid (Leather gear Meaning)....
Another thing that prolly makes it easy for me that i can make this on my main char Who is a warrior So i dnt have to look for some one who can make....but Either oR If u need somethign to prep urself for kara Or ZA This wouldnt be a bad investment Just so u wont be so undergeared in there I have full assassin and These 2 swords with mongoose on my rogue and i kill !@#$ in PvE So just think about it There is no telling how many times u will run kara for better personally i dnt want to spend the dkp On weapons i rather get better Gear (leather and trinkets and what not)........... wow this is long why do i do these things

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I've spent the last half hour or so reading these posts...I know I'm gonna get flamed by people for saying this, but I DW these swords on my rogue...I have Latros Shifting sword with Mongoose on it and have tried both setups...While it might seem odd my overall DPS is about the same between the Latros Shifting Sword and my twin Felsteel Longblades...Over the course of quite a few Kara runs I've tried running 1 week with Latros, and the next week with Felsteel in the offhand and with no new gear from the week before, my damage output was close but DWing the Felsteel Longblades did more overall than with the Latros...The larger white damage hits made up for the extra energy gains and quicker speed...The Longblades might not be the best swords in the game, on that point I will agree, HOWEVER, if you are a rogue and planning to switch from a dagger spec to a Sword spec they are the easiest swords to get that not only look good, but do a fair amount of damage...

They get the job done quite well, 99% of the time I top the damage meters even over rogues that carry things like the Spiteblade in their MH...If you're not getting good DPS out of a pair of these weapons you really need to consider re-rolling a new class...No offence to anyone...They're not top of the line, but they aren't bottom of the barrel either...They're a fantastic balance of looks and capability...

Some of the posters before this have it right, if you've never tried it you shouldn't knock it till you've actually used them...I don't put as much faith in the numbers game that people play when trying to "Prove" these swords don't work...Personally I think they're just trying to make themselves feel better about not taking the time to go farm the mats for them...Personally, with an epic flyer, I farmed all the mats (minus the Neithers of course) for BOTH swords in just over 3 days...That's the ore, and the Primal Mights for 2, count them 2 Felsteel Longblades...Sure you can take weeks to grind rep enough to get some that are marginally better, or spend twice as long (if you're a weaponsmith) to create some yourself that are better, however these things are easy, and work really well...And if you can't figure out how to swing them, you have no business being a rogue...

That's my two cents...Take it or leave it...

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l29/Rogue_Leizu/Latros.jpg http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l29/Rogue_Leizu/Latros3.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l29/Rogue_Leizu/FSLB.jpg http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l29/Rogue_Leizu/FSLB2.jpg

Комментарий от Thottbot

I'm getting two for my rogue cause of one simple fact - these, + mongose, x2 = visually epic. they look badass, and this is a video game. do the math.

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I'm a survival hunter with two of these, each with 20 agility on them. 92 agility for both. Right now, with only access to rare gems, my guild just about has kara on farm, and I have 803 unbuffed agility. At the moment, there is NO EQUAL for raw agility than two of these with +20agi to each.

On my off time, I play lots of BG's, and have a hell of a time playing melee with these. 42.52% dodge chance, 10% parry, and a general "WTF!" from teammates is a lot of fun.

Armory check Moondrae, gear, spec, etc.

Troll and flame to your heart's content, don't whine if I happen to post a reply, and to everyone, I'm having fun and enjoying my class, :) 'nuff said.

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I bought the plans for these a few days ago.. someone said in trade selling and I said how much and the person said 200g, I dealed after thinking xD and made it today.. should get alot for this ^^

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i dident read all of them, but do u have to make it to use it? can u buy it?

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Omg a 1h a hunter can duel wield! *gasp* all the rest are for furry warriors and rogues, stupid haste speed!

GIVE THESE TO THE HUNTERS!

Комментарий от Thottbot

I've been trying for weeks to sell this sword and of course all I ever get in the trade are childish remarks. In the AH all I do is lose out on deposit money too. Frankly I don't care about making money on these any more since I got my epic flyer recently. If anyone on Frostmane wants one, I will make it for you for free as long as you bring me the mats of course (the mats on Frostmane total about 850 - 900 gold). I will continue making these for free simply because this sword looks awesome and I enjoy having my name attached to them ^__^.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I have made these for warriors,rogues and hunters. As said before they are not the best and definitely aren't the worst weapons in the game. To each his own, this is why we play =)

Nazgrel Realm, horde side ... Wsp Garrion.

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