Without a doubt these are the absolute worst part of Doomplate. Even if you socket two +16 AP jewels in them they are still 2 AP less than the Sylvannar Champion shoulders. The extra 120 armor isn't worth it for a DPS warrior.

Beat down a heroic instance, get a low percentage drop, spend 100g on jewels, and lose 2 AP over an easy level 65 quest green.

Комментарий от 42230

5 piece set – Bold lookalike, just Black.

Chest: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28403
Harbinger Skyriss – Normal mode Arcatraz (Temptest Keep)

Head: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28225#0
Epoch Hunter - Heroic old hilsbred (Caverns of Time)

Shoulder: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27771
The black Stalker – Heroic Underbog (Coilfang Reservoir)

Hands: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27497
Keli'dan the Breaker – Heroic Blood furnace (Hellfire Citadel)

Legs: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27870
Exarch Maladaar – Heroic Auchenai Crypts (Auchindoun)

Комментарий от Marrd

Fully exalted, with upwards to 30 runs of heroic Underbog and I have not seen these shoulders. The drop rate is very low. It's almost as bad as the Shoulderguards of the Bold

Комментарий от DarianTruBlade

Come 2.2, an easier option will be the new Ragesteel Shoulders.

Even using Inscribed Flame Spessarite, Ragesteel will have the following advantages:

+3 Strength
+8 Crit Rating
+9 Hit Rating

This makes the Ragesteel Shoulders the best DPS shoulders before Tier 4.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I does almost every day heroic underbog and I seen all drops exept this. guildie got this from first run. :/

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Is supposed to drop on the black stalker at the coilfang reservoir, heroïc mode.

Комментарий от Thottbot

They actually don't own that much as a quest reward in Blade's Edge Mountains (Planting The Banner) has 1 more strength (though these has 4+ parry if fully socketed, but that ain't great for dps warriors anyway), even with two +8 strength gems in these.

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=57754

Комментарий от Thottbot

It's the Set Bonus that makes them good.

Although there shouldn't be any greens that are better than a Heroic instance drop...

Other thing is you can add whatever stats you want, doesn't have to be AP. Crit or Stam are also options.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Indeed, as the previous post states, just put in 2 +8crit or +10crit jewels and you have yourself a +36 or +40crit pair of shoulderpads.

Комментарий от Thottbot

What shall I use? I'm a DPS warrior...
Warchief's Mantle or this?

Please help :)

Комментарий от Thottbot

Thank you Aelith, at least one other person gets it.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Then i guess im gonna ninja from a paladin a plate armor that increases healing cos i get extra healing from bandage.

I think this is right isnt it?

If i think like u it surely is

Комментарий от Thottbot

Even tho Warbringer Shoulderplates is better for a Dual Wield Warrior, Doomplate shoulders will be better if you have another Doomplate Piece.

Комментарий от Thottbot

of course warbringer is better...its t4....but, t4 is harder to get than these.

please dont ever make a stupid comment like that again.

Комментарий от Thottbot

thottbot is packed with such friendly comments!

Комментарий от Thottbot

The Warrior version headpiece of "the second sight" is probably the best DPS head piece in the game for Fury warriors.

One thing that cant be underestimated is the importance of hit rating. I make it a rule that a Fury Warrior with respect for his specc, should atleast have +150 hitrating to optimalize the damage done. (myself over 200)

The other importaint thing is that one has enough Stamina to survive battles in Raids. There are lots of amazing DPS gear around, like the BOE leggings of the shattered hand. But what makes t4 stand out is the survive ability. You can go more all out and you still have lots of health and armour to take a real beating.

Health/stamina is importaint for DPS melee classes that cant vanish if you are going to win damage meters in raids. A dead character doesnt do alot of damage.

I have won all damage meters when fury, in Karazhan (with 2 mages and a rogue in the raid) and all 5 man instances. If you are to out damage mages and rogues, you have to survive longer and be able to hit your target! ^^

(yes, gear do count too :p )

Комментарий от Thottbot

I just laught you guys who is saying that "if you want dps, take a mage". I'm fury war with good gear and i have out dps almost everyone in every instance / raid. So no more crapp about this warriors cant dps.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Agree, as a arms warrior (no epix at all) i'll normally do more dps than your average blue geared rogue.
Atleast so my dps meter tells me so.

But then again, its very dependant on the instance and numbers of mobs the group is fighting at one time, if you were fighting one mob at a time all the way through the instance i suppose the rogue will do more dps.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I (and this is just my opinion) personally think that the Pauldrons of the Chrimson flight would appear to be better than the ones shown. Ok you get a crit rating, .9%, and some sockets, but i personally don't recall any gems that could make up for the rawr Strength (40 strength on PoCF, that's 80 atk power). IF this was going to be your FOURTH out of the 5 set pieces then yes, it's an obvious replacement, but if i had 4 of the pieces already for example, i'd think twice about taking these. So what if they have more stamina, shouldn't be taking aggro anyway :P

Just speaking from A Fury warriors point of view

Комментарий от Thottbot

For all you haters, I'm a Pally and I'd roll away.

If you say that Paladins should have no Str+ or Crit+ gear, then you've obviously -never- played a hybrid. We don't just sit around and heal you greedy little creeps all the time. We have to do crap on our own, too.

And just so you know, every single hybrid class has a damage tree. Some might be weaker than others, and a good DPS-restricted class will always out-DPS a good hybrid class, but that doesn't take away the fact that (This might give you a heartattack, so put down your cupcakes before you choke ya fatties) they can still DO damage.

So, before you decide that Paladins/Druids/Priests/Shamans should ONLY roll on healer gear, why don't you do the world a favor and play one to actually know what the hell you're talking about?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Lawlz,

I wonder how many of you with your attitude will ever see these shoulders or the rest of the loot in heroic instances. I have a full set of doomplate, as well as the rest of the heroic dps gear. I have the healing gear from kara, as well as some of the dps and tank stuff. And...I'm a pally.

When I go with a warrior I pass on tanking gear if they are a tank or dps gear if they are dps spec. Guess what? If you don't suck you get invited to run heroics and raids. I passed doomplate to our MT, and since he levels fury I found a Gorehowl falling into my lap.

The moral is QQ less about who gets pixels. Your either in a guild that is tight and runs heroics and raids, in which case youll get all the gear you want sooner or later, or you arnt and whining about who should get something isn't going to matter anyway.

Комментарий от Thottbot

you are an idiot. if you are a warrior i have lost all respect for you. warriors are great forms of dps. they make the best offtanks anyways..they can hold agro but when they dont need to tank they can switch and do outrageous amounts of damage...only thing on warriors is no CC...but hey i can switch out to tank gear and tank the add. WOO! L2DPS as a warrior..and leave the pallys alone..pve warrior dps owns pally but hm pallys pwn in pvp! so good going noob pants ...L2P

Комментарий от Thottbot

hmmmm, im fury warrior with nice gear, and im mostly nr 1 on dps meters, and ppl keep saying its my gears? whats true is it skill or gear?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Narrow-minded posts above just need to get over yourselves - every class and every spec is there for a reason.

The reason Ret pallies suck right now is because there really isn't any good gear (aside from pvp rewards) tailored for them. As a Blacksmith, I had my choice of Adamantite or Khorium armor. Forget about shoulders (unless you pvp). I'm staying Ret because it's a challenge for me, and my guild has no objections.

And I out-dps'd the tank and rogue in my "Old Hillsbrad" group the other day (and back-up healed when the priest died). Unfortunately my mana suffers from bonus neglect, but for me it's all about strength, attack power, and crit chance gems (and lots of mana pots!).

And for f's sake, the post is about armor, not cry-babys who think one class is better than another.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Im glad you Out DPS'd the TANK, because i'm pretty sure Tanks don't try to dps, but instead, O idk, Tank! If you said you out dps'd the arms or fury warrior in the group, then that would say something, that's like saying, i healed more than the rogue, wtf?

Комментарий от Thottbot

For those who say warriors cant dps then i think they have never been in a raid.
Im in a ssc and TK raiding guild and im fury specc and a non aoe fight im easily doing more dps than locks mages hunters and shadowpriest and most of them have better gear than me,

And in order to have a good melee dps group u wil need
enhancement shaman
Druid Feral
Warrior prefered fury
2 rogues

Комментарий от Thottbot

hehe
i thought i read something saying this game needs skill...
Well HAHA is my reply, because some may say that it's
about 'timing' your abilities...
Well any child that's not &*!@#$ed and above 10 yrs can do that.

Комментарий от Thottbot

As a fury warrior, when (if) I get these shoulders, should I put +str gems, +crit gems, or +hit gems?

Say I have another piece of doomplate (say the legs). This will give me the +35 hit bonus PLUS the +17hit on the legs, so would that be good enough +hit or should I continue to socket with +hit gems?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Class Rivalries aside, does anyone else see something wrong here?
These drop in heroic Underbog...
and unsocketed many greens are better than these.

I have run into this problem with other gear as well, where blues = greens and epics are only a small step up. I have even had to keep some green gear, and pass up epics because its simply not worth it. In Karazhan the epics with sockets would only surpass my quest rewards after I put gems in them, which is frustrating and kinda a let down.

I like the idea of customizing gear by chosing the gems added to them, but I feel its too clostly in most items...

"Honor, Courage, and above all Patience"

Комментарий от Thottbot

WARRIORS RULES WOW!

-END OF STORY -

GOODBYE :P

Комментарий от Thottbot

Sylvaner Champion's Shoulders are a ridiculously good green that have already been mentioned in this thread. I've had mine FOREVER, and they make me sick to look at them, so I will begin farming these in earnest since High King will not be kind to me. The only shoulders, alone, better for a DPS warrior better than them is t4, or the shoulders from Kazzak-- although the Crimson Fight ones are nice, too, and you get to get that last damn green out of your paper doll.

I said 'alone' above, because, as someone already stated, what makes these good is the set bonus--that is, if you have two pieces.

If you are a fury warrior raiding Kara (or Gruul, or SSC or whatever), you will need hit or be prepared to be embarrassed. Kara is especially difficult because the ghost mobs don't like to be hit. And while you might get by with 150 hit on big, solid mobs and giant the robots or whatever, 150 doesn't cut it on the ghosts or spectral mobs/bosses.

Комментарий от Thottbot

finaly a ret pally other than myself! and who cares about warriors this is paladin armor just look on the high lvl armor set thing on www.worldofwarcraft.com

Комментарий от Thottbot

and Rhalle. your Fury warriors should be rerolling or respec'ing if they are not top 5 dps in gruul's/Kara.

The +10% dmg taken is a big liability if they are not seriously kicking the piss out of everything. That said if they ARE well geared and know what they are doing its very hard for any class to out dps them.

with Melee; while rogues may have more constant burst dmg it still won't catch them up to an equally geared Fury popping his Deathwish (+20% dmg for 30sec) and executing.

Personally (and thankfully) I haven't run into many situations where there is a Tank Pally and DPS Warrior in the same group. I think if it DID happen often I'd switch servers. I have a prot warrior and a fury warrior so i'm good in any group =P. (i level them easily don't ask)

Комментарий от Thottbot

whats the easiest piece to get other than the chest

Комментарий от Thottbot

Look man..with all the new gear thats come out thats plate I have been to Kara as a Full Ret Paladin and came in 3rd on the damage meter through the first 6 bosses. Im sure most of you have seen the punks trying to play their DPS paladins....and Ive seen it to. IM TELLIN YA...if you can put together the right armor, 2h weapon, and enchants it very possible. My IG name is Evilution and I play on Sen'jin..im here to tell ya this is a new erra...DPS paladin is viable is you have half a brain. So get over your jealousy of the plate/Heal thing and move on.

Комментарий от Thottbot

this set wouldnt be to bad for a ret pally. i mean i nearly got exhalted with the sha'tar looking for the chest in arc but looking over the set it wouldnt really be that bad. i coudl put crit jewels in the shoulders and +heal/+stam in the legs or wherever. does anyone think that'd work?

Комментарий от Thottbot

i agree ret pallys can dps as good as a hunter,ms warr, rogue or any other dps class i know cause i came in frist on meter aboze a fire mage and a rogue.

Комментарий от Thottbot

plus to top it off and i'm talking to all pallys ( i'm 1 too) were dependent on gear.

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