How is this any good for a Bear Druid? Bear Druids tank. Tanks require items that increase mitigation and survivability. This does neither. I won't touch on PPM because Jules took care of that for me.

Even with a low proc rate, this is 2% to hit (I believe? If I'm wrong, please correct me.) on one item. I'd say that's worth the trinket spot in its own. With this, I can sacrifice hit on other items in favor of more AP. The proc is gravy, but you're picking this up for the hit first.

Комментарий от 38238

Actually the procwatch mod misses some proc!

and it doesn't count resisted procs too, it is a spell, can be resisted.

Though, the value it gave me was 2.1proc/min.

And once it did proc twice in a row!

Комментарий от 23311

Dammit, they fixed the name.

I was always fond of that error.

Комментарий от 53805

Well,you get this from karazhan when you can get this: Darkmoon Card: Maelstrom https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=19289#M0z from ah,which has about same proc.

Комментарий от 23311

No. That card deals less damage and lacks the enormous hit rating. It also has a lesser proc rate.

No comparison at all. The Poison Vial is actually a really solid item now.

Комментарий от 54857

They laughed at me when i rolled on it :)
But now after patch, they don't.

Комментарий от 41926

I ran the proc while farming, it showed a 3.4 ppm and 20 hits per proc.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2594/wowscrnshot052607041618hn0.jpg

The proc did a bit more than 2% of my damage output.

However when I used it last karazhan run it was 1.2% of my total damage, I think drake fang talisman is better while raid buffed.

Комментарий от 57671

Does they fixed it to work with rogue talent (imbrove poissons and vile poissons?)

Комментарий от Hyrican

It's not a rogue only item, therefore doesn't benefit them more then others

there is no other physical dmg trinket in karazhan

Комментарий от 34251

This wouldn't be half bad for an Enhancement Shaman, actually. Since nature damage is increased by 20% with the Stormstrike debuff.

..Theoretically.

Комментарий от 48301

This trinket has the most hit rating of any trinket. I've equipped this on my enhancement shaman (look me up in armory)

Note that the Romulo's poison proc counts as a spell. Thus can be reflected - i found out whilst taking down a boar in blades edge when it put it's spell reflect shield up. It hits for what is says and crits for around 420-480.

Комментарий от 42159

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=vs5d55vg3lydw&a=0
This seems to be affected by spell hit (this isn't my WWS but I just noticed it). 17% miss chance is what you get with spells with 0% spell hit. 2.9% mitigated is also probably due to the partial resists you get because it's a boss - not too far off from 5% considering the sample size isn't too big (95 hits)

Комментарий от 69346

4 procs during 1 mob fight (about 10 seconds):
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/4681/romulospy9.jpg

Комментарий от 11116

This trinket seems to have been buffed. I just picked it up last night and, after testing on Dr. Boom, I had a proc rate of 4-6 procs per minute. It had a crit rate of about 6%, so, I'm guessing it goes by spell crit rating (maybe I'll pick up some +damage/crit greens and see if it's affected). I couldn't tell if the crit bonus was 1.5x or 2x though, the highest crit I got was 460 which would fit into either.

I'll get a proc-watcher mod later tonight and test it out a bit more to see if it's PPM-based or percent-based.

Комментарий от 29432

Question - does the proc affect immune to poison targets like Void Reaver for example ?

Комментарий от 21631

Does anyone know if this trinket works for druids in cat / bearform ?

Комментарий от Rage80

whats better ? the Proc or https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28121 600 Armor ignore?

Комментарий от 78824

Question would this be effected by +spell damage? Or i.e. high Nature spell damage?

Комментарий от 30584

For those interested in this kind of thing, Romeo (Romulo, if you will) ended his life by drinking from a vial of poison. Nice reference on Blizzard's part.

Комментарий от kromzul

This really seems like it should make a tremendous tanking trinket. It initially appears to be oriented towards DPS classes, but two factors make it highly desirable for a tank:

(1) Hit rating is fantastic, since missing your highest-threat abilities (Shield Slam, Mangle) can be disastrous. Combined with the upcoming Expertise stat, an appropriately geared tank could connect all or nearly all attacks, and thus achieve very consistent threat output.
(2) The proc does a fixed amount of magic damage, rather than increasing damage output by some factor that is multiplied by existing damage gear (i.e. armor penetration is a multiplier, or conversely, attack power is multiplied by existing critical strike and hit chance gear). Right now, it's essentially equivalent in threat output to an additional Sunder Armor. If we assume a 3ppm rate, then the proc alone would be a 20 threat-per-second increase for a warrior.

Certainly not the ideal trinket in all scenarios, but it should be a no-brainer for threat-sensitive ones. Could anyone confirm or deny the utility of this trinket while tanking?

Комментарий от intuit

it's very good for threat over time but I wouldnt say its the best overall. the autoblocker beats the sh*t out of it for burst (opening) threat. and if u use it everytime it's cool that's +200blockvalue (on top of the 59 passive bv) for 1/6 of all shield slams. Also, you can gem for hit but not for block value. But it is still one of the best threat trinkets for druid/warrior tanks (not so much for pallys).

Комментарий от 27519

Fury warrior = Love this
Fury warriors are always looking for a little bit of extra hit rating, and this will really take the cake. using this, you can put on other more dps efficient gear that has crit and Ap instead of finding the low-stat blue items.

Комментарий от BoJlk

Just to make something clear.
Just because it says "Romulo's Poison Vial" doesn't mean it will be affected by anything in Rogue's talents regarding Poisons. (Rogue's need talents to increase Nature damage from poison because they can't have Spell Damage)

So the damage from this will be increased by Spell Damage Only.

Комментарий от Lopen2

when proc's it also proc's Kill on Command

Комментарий от Thelion

Will this trinket proc in Druids forms like Cat form or Dire bear , only bear form ?

Комментарий от aeonus

Just did a little bit of testing in the blasted lands on a be ret pally.
Procs off of Seal of Command, Seal of Blood, Judgment of blood, and Crusader strike
Its also affected by avenging wrath and vengeance (hooray?) seen 450 non crits with AW, proc rate seams decent, 2-3 procs a minutes, helps me get hit capped and Nice to see dual procs. Still not sure if it would proc on JoC

Комментарий от Lightcloud

Anyone know if its is like a dot or direct damage, i was thinking of getting this on my hunter and if it is a dot, it could mess up my trapping.

Комментарий от 137735

Just a question: Is the poison effect a Physical type or Magical type?

Wondering because if it technically counts as a magical (nature) cast then combining this with https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30663
could be a potential winner.

Комментарий от jckrbbt

Is there a visible proc effect on this trinket? I was testing it out last night, and while I can see that it's proc'ing in the combat log, I didn't see any visual representation for it. I may have been missing it.

Комментарий от 54558

This or shard of Contempt? (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=34472)

I also have Bloodlust Brooch.

Комментарий от mgp84

Druid Addition:
Best swipe trinket ingame. While yes, it may proc every so often in cat form, this trinkett will proc ALOT while swiping three targets (For those who are unaware of the bear ability, swipe attacks three distinct targets and each hit has a chance to crit). While a BT/MH druid may have swipes that do 500ish damage while critting, this trinket has a chance to proc on each individual hit, thus making swipe hit upwards of 700, and leveling the playing field vs Prot Pallies atleast on three targets.
+++ Aside from T5/6 leg pieces, druid tanking pieces have literally no hit (aside from new T6 bracers/belt/boots). This trinket can and will help those who need hit. Took me from my 90 hit 44 exp in aggro gear to 125 hit, which makes me a total aggro w*ore. While still mantaining 30.5k Armor w/devotion aura and approx 40% dodge.

Комментарий от 71213

on a comment above someone mentioned a fury warrior only needing 90 hit rating. this is a bad comment especially since warriors NEED to hit with their oh much more now that most of us use a slower oh wep. this is an amazing trinket for a fw, simply because it allows you to itemize your gear better. the hit cap on oh is somewhere around 400 with a fw (similar to rogues), i'm not saying u should try to get to the oh cap but getting 250-300 hit will make your dps much higher than if you were at 90 hit.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Yes it does proc in feral form for druids, however, like everyone has said, the proc rate is still really low. It's probably on a per minute proc, because it procs the same rate in cat and in bear. I don't know the exact rate, but I'm still seeing about one proc every few minutes. I just have it for the hit rating, since hit rating gear for druids is somewhat hard to come by.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

this nature damage is a DOT?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Darkmoon Card: Maelstrom 2.0? :o

Комментарий от Allakhazam

The proc rate on this thing is terrible, this trinket is very underwhelming.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

To give an example of how much damage it does... on any given run a rogue's Kick ability will outdamage it. I was seeing 1 proc about every 5-10 minutes.

Looting it is basically a waste of a shard.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I think Romulo's Poison Vial procs quite a bit on my Hunter and the fact that it can crit is great too....I just dont know if its worth using over the hourglass of the unraveller....My crit is 20% with Romulos equipped and my to hot 109....my crit goes to 21.5% with hourglass with my hit rating dropping to 74 without it...any advice?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

If this procs a lot it'll be worth it for PVE. I don't see how anybody will pick this up over a passive +AP/crit/hit trinket for any matter.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Actually the damage on this trinket is 222-332 and not 200-300.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

It drops from Julianne.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

meh it got a bit better with the +35 hit rating on it...and from what i hear the proc got upped a bit too so i mean...its an ok trinket...not the greatest tho

Комментарий от Allakhazam

probably a drop from the romeo and juliet event in kharazan

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Anyone seen the change it will get with the next patch?
+31 hit added tot it.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I think this is the lowest proc I have seen on a trinket. I still have it in my bags but currently I'm swapping in two blue trinkets rather than use it.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

anyone know the proc chance % or anyone got it and can give a rough idea of how often it procs. Im thinking it must proc quite a lot or this would be worthless.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Will it work with a feral druid?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

steer clear of this piece of &*!@

Комментарий от Allakhazam

me (70 rogue) just lost this too a prot warrior who claims 'im going to respec fury once i get all the gear'...well, kiss my ass, or my dagger, your pick

Комментарий от Thottbot

Loving the +35hit, makes it worth equipping. :3

Комментарий от Thottbot

The proc rate does not seem to be upped as it was suggested in PTR. Anyone else notice this?

Комментарий от Thottbot

what is the proc rate in this?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just saved this from the DE pile tonight on my feral druid. Didnt need the hit really (kinda wish it were crit instead) but it could come in handy.

The proc seems to hit for a little over 200 (a little lower then i expected) most of the time and procs fairly often in cat; maybe once or twice per mob.

Our enhance shaman loves this thing but unless you need the +hit you might not want to take off your hourglass just yet.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just got this tonight and wow, took it into the battle ground and BAM, accounted for 3% damage according to newest damage meters. Granted, I'm a beast spec hunter, so between autoshots, steady and instants, I hit very fast, well worth it for the +hit, the proc is very nice too. Great trinket for those of us who have a fast attack speed.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Kinda out there question:

Does this proc more frequently/harder for rogues with the +poison applicating/dmg talent? If nothing else, it still seems kind of a build-specific drop, as some items are.

Can't argue with +35 hit though, sometimes. That's just major in PvE, poison or not. QQ on the proc rate, the real bread and butter is the +hit flood.

Комментарий от Thottbot

i think the proc rate is hidden if you have a weapon buff aplied cause when i have my poision off i see this thing proc like a mad man but with poision on i dont see it proc ever

Комментарий от Thottbot

I see it proc alot, as a mutilate rogue, it's nice to see 4 yellow damage at once.

Комментарий от Thottbot

i got it on my shaman, respeced enhas to try it out, 7.67% hit plus 6 from talents.

i gotta say this is a very nice enhas pve trinket, SS makes it do like 400+dmg and 600dmg crits heh. procs a lot too with dw wf.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Anyone know if +spelldamage applys to the proc? As an enhancement shaman I'd like to know cause the patch is giving us 30% of our ap as spelldmg :P

Комментарий от Thottbot

your question make NO SENSE...

when you proc the poison..it deals damage to them...wala...how hard is that to understand...

Комментарий от Thottbot

it procs with poisons on but seems to slow down . That or i just dont notice it as much. either way a proc is a proc, no?

Комментарий от Thottbot

I also want to know if poison spec makes this hit harder. since it is both a poison and nature damage I am going to try this out and see if it hits/crits harder

Комментарий от Thottbot

is it worth while getting this on my feral druid? atm i have the hourglass and alchemy trinket and about 140 hit rating already but i'm not sure how much +hit druids need,anyone able to tell me?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Recently got this. Seems to proc well. But that +35 hit, woot! I got this along with my Netherblade Gloves.

I was finally able to ditch my Cloak of the Craft and my Terokkar Tablet of Precision for this trinket and a Blood Knight War Cloak and still come out with a net gain of +17 Hit Rating, increasing my secondary stats in the process.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Got this, is really nice even though i won over our gm, who got very angry.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just got this today. On a pug, I rolled a 1. they felt so bad for me they gave it to me =P It crit like 700 for me. Its amazing and i love the + hit rating.

Комментарий от Thottbot

specifically says unique. so no, no equipping 2 at the same time.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Good for rogues who need the Hit rating Proc is good if ur lazy like me and never bother to use my trinkets. would trade for brooch (badge of justice) trinket only after i maxed my Hit. I believe that rogues dual weilding may also be a bonus to the proc.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I just ran some testing on the proc rate, doing just auto attacks:

1018 hits out of 1057 swings
21 procs of Romulo's Poison
Total proc damage: 5950
Average proc damage: 283
Proc rate per hit: 2.06%
Proc rate per swing: 1.99%
Proc % of overall damage: 2.28%

I'm guessing it only procs on hits, either way the proc rate is about 2%. For a combat dagger rogue with slice'n'dice up all the time, that's anywhere from about 1.75 to 2 procs per minute, depending on offhand weapon speed. Or 7.9 to 9.4 dps. That's not including special attacks, so we'll be generous and call it 10 - 12ish dps. Not really a fantastic dps boost by any measure. Thank God Blizz added that hit rating.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Romulo's Poison Vial is decent if you're no where near the hit cap. If you're close, then go with something else.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Don't overestimate this trinket. According to my rogue spreadsheet (from raidcal), the Hourglass of the Unraveller does more damage.

It might depend on your gear & spec ofcourse.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Quick question. I'm a combat rogue that just won this (woot!) My current hit rating is 220, and my trinks are hourglass and the abacus. which trinket should i replace with this? Thank you for any advice! =D

Комментарий от Thottbot

If I were you, I'd roll with AP and hit rating trinkets. I'd straight up kill for this trinket.

Комментарий от Thottbot

yeah we have a beloved &*!@#$% in our group who runs around all day blabbing about his hit rating being capped, knowing full well where the rogues in the guild stand hit rating-wise, and still Fing rolls on it. Thankfully it went to the other rogue, but dude if we still need 150 more or so hit to be solid, and you're capped at 121ish, isnt it for the better of the guild/group that the rogues get it?

sry for the long run-on jumbled rant

Комментарий от Thottbot

and abbacus and hourglass are ranked higher on maxdps, but lower on shadowpanther.net, so u figure it out....

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