hey guys i am an enhancement shaman deeply looking to get this weapon, and all u guys that posted saying u got it or it dropped for you Heroic Shatt Halls, please tell me what you all had in your group would make me a step closer to getting this, as i have tried heroic Shatt halls many a times and have failed mizerable on the 2nd boss and never got to down Warchief.

Комментарий от 40449

I would like to comment this as level 70 warrior.

There are 2 main ways to gear yourself as a fury warrior in TBC ,getting hit+crit gear or ap+crit.You can either get huge AP for big bloodthirst and some high normal (but not very fast ,and often overall) crits ,or you can consist on white,very very very fast crits.

This weapon is for the second, https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28288 + https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28437 + this fist is really insane haste rating (without the haste rating pot) and with 30% more attack speed from flurry...just kewl

The thing is that I've been trying some "faster" wpns lately and I noticed I rly miss a lot ,so i cant imagine the Abacus +flurry+ one of those proc. You will prolly miss 50% of the hits. Thats why you have to gear yourself some nice +hit ,otherways all this haste rating just goes in to the bucket.

I would also sugest picking up a Rampage/Impale build ,instead of Fury/ some Wpn spec. Since this is main hand ,we cant take advantage of any wpn spec at all. If it was off-hand we could put axe in main-hand ,get the 5% crit and GG ,but oh well its not.

Furthermore if u go for Rampage/Impale you will back a bit the AP you gimped for the +hit .

When I get this I'll test it together with the abacus ,and such type of build ,would be more then happy to tell the results then. But still even from now (when a poster above stated the proc rate is 3ppm) this looks way more then promissing

Warriors and Rogues should have prio on taking this ,its just that they can put it in bigest use of all classes. Yes shaman has Flurry also ,I know ...But somehow I just dont think he will catch up the dps on rogue or warrior using this.

Комментарий от 56001

An epic picture posted by "wasabimilkshake".

Be sure to check it out. I laughed so hard it hurt.

Комментарий от 47860

I play a 70 shammy main (Centrelink @ BlackDragonFlight), and I completely agree.

Shammys have zero CC and zero agro control, ask any shammy they'll tell the same thing.

I also play a fist rogue (Sn @ Cenarian Circle), and imo having both classes, this is definately a rogue priority weapon.

Peace, CL.

Комментарий от 25329

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sad but true. with restro you can get a spot in heroic, but with semi-epic gear on a enhance, you got no spots...got thrown out for rogues, ALOT.....
/emo

Комментарий от 98282

Got this today. Heroic Shattered halls is extremely easy with a prot paladin. Took DPS Warrior, Rogue, P Pally, (me) shaman, and a mage.

Downed Kargath with 20~ minutes left on the timer.

Комментарий от 101003

1st: Whimpy plz dont flame me if im way off base to the all knowing uber wownerds out there caveat-disclaimer:

Havent done 25 man raids, just regular and heroic five mans, as tank and dps/cc. No guild, but a regular pool of people on my server who are pugging the same thing together until they're almost a guild. You know the types. So my knowledge is based on running one instance like 15-20 times a week until I get the drops, or get the rep, or the key, or the attunement quest, etc, then move to another one. As a tank this is pretty easy to do consistently as on my server, there are no freaking tanks. And this advice is for same types, because if you're in a good guild, then pretty much every instance/drop farming is doable because peeps know ya and wont drop after you wipe a couple times or kick ya cuz you die first all the time.

so take this comment as noobish if you want, but ive tanked a LOT of 5 mans. so...having stated my caveat/disclaimer to avoid the uber rippage...

If you are running heroic, you probably aren't ignorant of the differences between various instances. This one has a lot of larger group pulls, making aggro management much more difficult. As a 5/0/56 prot warr, I have my hands full running around grabbing mobs back. Personally I find that this is one of the harder instances for me to maintain every mobs attention, and here they hit so damned hard that cc or armor is about the only things I want with me in here after an awesome healer who does a little more than just watch the icons and never moves around. Its hard to keep softer toons alive in this run. Frankly I find the bosses easier than some of the group pulls, and so enhancement shammies are awesome at boss time but just not AS USEful during the clearing of the large groups. Real CC in here is pretty much a must, and i really prefer frost mages to fire here as well.

Have run this with a few enh shamms, all of them died a lot on the way to bosses except one, he was uber and ripped and was way better at his toon than most, including me with mine, and he was 12, lol. All of them that made it to the Kargath fight without leaving, there they did a lot better with totems and such, healers and mages really appreciated it.

Maybe if you were using a pally-tanked group it would be a better fit, better crowd aggo control more mana replenishment requirements. omolkane imo has it right, and its the same for dps warrs<<if they arent into BG/Arena-if they are, well thats the way to gear up as an arms or fury warr>>. Easier to use instance friendly tank spec then respec fury or arms, cuz most people tend to want warrs to tank because there just arent enough tanks. Bleh. Go resto and amass a gearpile for your respec. I did not like this advice as a player but its what i basically did.

Every class can have elite players who can make their spec stretch further-but its hard to convince people who've run this instance a lot that an enhancement shammy will be good enough to not have a cc in that spot.

good luck, this weapon is just cool, and you dont see it a lot, so I think its cool to work towards. On older servers you see the same gear on everyone- I am so sick of knowing that after a certain level we all have the same gear. Used to love those badass warrior shoulders but now they irritate me because of their ubiquity. You know the ones. :)

Man, Id love it if rare variations, even if the stats were the same, would allow the classes to differentiate individuals more looks-wise.

And while I'm bitching...
Why in the holy hell cant blacksmiths fix armor? I mean really? Really? But mages can make food and water. At least armorsmiths-armor, etc. I think this is a relatively good aside for this instance because as a tank my repair bills after this place suck. Especially if I let some class like enh shammy or MM hunter or ret pally, come along- wink wink j/k guys.

I love it how far afield you can get on these posts when distracted while typing.

Комментарий от Vetis

I've never actually gotten this, but as a 70 Enhancement shaman it was one of my desires prior to getting 10-25man weaponry. Never listen to anyone who tells you you NEED crowd control, I always ran with a group of friends in a melee power group, and I can tell you now that CC just slowed us down. We did heroic shattered pretty much every day because it was a lot of badges and more challenging than the majority of other instances for us (those group pulls do definitely hurt, and I'm not saying CC is a bad thing, but never let someone keep you from coming because you "don't offer anything", they are just letting you know that they are not good enough to handle anything without sheepers and fearers to hold their hands).
That being said, good luck getting it, it looks awesome and it will certainly serve you well until you start getting some of the raid weapons, or pvp reward weapons if you decide to swing that way. Usual group makeup for us was 1 Prot warrior(Prot paladin or druid is more ideal generally), 1 combat rogue(swords), 1 enhancement shaman(myself), 1 Holy priest (or resto druid) and the 5th position was usually a hunter/moonkin/other.

Комментарий от 87017

Simple fact is, you're crazy to go into Heroic Shattered Halls without a Paladin tanking. Paladins have an enormous advantage in SH. And if you do, you don't need CC. As a paladin tank myself, I've brought shammies, but I prefer to bring AOE classes who can AOE down groups as I AOE tank them. Shammies have limited AOE capability, but are tremendously useful for dealing with the various casters in each pull, as well as the general utility they bring. I average a 1.5 hour run, and always beat the executioner with time to spare. As a prot pally, I would rather run with a shammy than just about any other class at this point, no matter the instance.

Комментарий от Warrok

I got this the other evening for my off-gear. It wasn't exactly the best run as we didn't manage to do it in time but finally Kargath was beaten and dropped this nice weapon. Primarily I picked it up as a kind of trophy, as the weapon will draw looks to you once drawn (pun intended).

That being said it has some drawbacks. From my point of view a major drawback is that it's a Main Hand weapon. For raiding it lacks hit. Though if you have the hit and don't have a 87+ dps weapon from Kara or later to replace it, it can serve very well due to the proc-effect, which can seriously boost dps. Abacus of the Violent Odds (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28288) can be activated at the same time as the proc, which can generate lots of burst damage.

Комментарий от Bubbladin

i just lost my manhood just looking at that big thing

Комментарий от 79862

Picked this up today on my 70 enhance shaman.

The effective group we used to run heroic SH with was slightly unconventional, but workable:

2 Feral Druids
1 Fire Mage
1 Resto Shaman
1 Enhance Shaman

Having 2 solid tanks at any time who could dps in a flash, a CC, and 2 full sets of totems/dual Heroisms made the run pretty good. We were all in the same guild, which did help as well..

Funny thing was, he dropped his Eviscerator on the same run.. the resto sham took that for his offset :) as I got Bladefist.

Комментарий от 111264

does enchants show up on this weapon?

Комментарий от 34638

If I'm going to go fist spec w/ this as my MH, what should I use in my OH?
I was thinkin Stormreaver Warblades, but I just want to be sure.

Комментарий от 102260

By Veras on 02/28/2007 (Patch 2.0.8)
In general, I prefer stats as well, but Hate Rating really is an amazing thing. Stacking a haste proc with SnD and BF as a rogue is a beautiful thing.

Also, you have to consider Fist Specialization versus Sword. Sword spec in its current form is just inferior to the crit offered by Fist.

LOL

How stupid can you be? Outside of Mace's possible use in PvP (Which is inferior to ShS anyways), Sword Spec is FAR superior to any of a Rogue's other Weapon Specs. ESPECIALLY when you consider the haste stacks that you mentioned in your own post. Crits don't give you additional energy back from Combat Potency as a Sword Spec proc WOULD. SS isn't on a hidden cooldown, so as your haste scales, your DPS goes up exponentially dude to the "natural" increased attacks as well as increased specials from the CP regen running rampant.

I don't even play a Rogue, and I know this. L2P.

Комментарий от 124558

Buttspawn, yes swordspec naturally gives a bigger dps increase than fist spec, but stop calling everyone a noob when you dont even play the class yourself and you're letting out as big a load of crap as themselves... swordspec procs, both those that proc off offhand and mainhand attacks, give an extra mainhand hit, and since combat potency only procs off offhand hits it wont give any increased energy regeneration. The fact that offhand sword spec procs giving a mainhand hit while an offhand fist crit will add damage equivalent to an extra offhand hit makes sword spec superior in most cases (unless your mainhand is a load of poo lawl)

Over and out!

Комментарий от 163297

did shattered halls heroic

blue geared hunter
resto druid
feral druid
rogue
and fury war (me)

we had sap on some groups if it was possible wasnt in a risky of pulling anything and trap whenever the hunter was awake really, most of the time he did it too late or someone accidently dotted it lol

was great fun

Комментарий от goblinego

I think this could be like lvl 50's one-handed sword.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

to be honest with you, if your lvl 70, and have not 1 thing blue or green, except your tabbard and shirt, means you have no life at all...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

im on it to get it. gonna use it with 21/0/40 hemo spec <3 imbaaa . looking forward to it

Комментарий от Allakhazam

lol Unique Main-hand? Draneis will be able to wear Main-hand weapons in Off-hand?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

i was just wondering if the chance on hit is counting both ranged and melee or if it is only melee

Комментарий от Allakhazam

With a name that long, it has to be good.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

gief more fist weapons

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Kargath -- heroic mode. Last boss in Shattered Halls.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Haste rating ftw!

An Eskhandar's claw for level 70 that doesn't suck.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This looks great on Orc males/Tauren males.

Totally getting it with ym orc rogue :) ... currently Sub, will switch combat for this lil'baby.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This item looks amazing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/argylesock/bladefist.jpg

Edited, Feb 28th 2007 9:50am by Hawb

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Think of a Gnome using this....HAHA!......

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Комментарий от Allakhazam

OMFG HUNTER!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Very nice topend damage. If only the speed would've been 2.80 or higher it would've been "the" hemo weapon.

I hate Blizzard for it ;o

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Wow finally some fist weapons!

Комментарий от Thottbot

This drops from Kargath in Heroic mode.

Комментарий от Thottbot

nice to see that blizz is doing some work in the fist weapons category

Комментарий от Thottbot

this wep is hilarious on a gnome!

Комментарий от Thottbot

heroic shattered halls

Комментарий от Thottbot

I have this weapon with mongoose and it procs quite a bit.

I also have the Abacus of Violent Odds. This, plus the lightning speed, the haste is ridiculous. :)

Комментарий от Thottbot

get a life man?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Imagine this dual wielded with blackout truncheon with abbacus of violent odds and both with mongoose.

Комментарий от Thottbot

If Bruce Campbell played WoW, he'd have this by now... and he'd be messing up Deadites left and right. WoW needs to create "The Chainsawfist" for all of us Evil Dead nerds... maybe an expansion idea for engineers?... call me blizz!

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just lost this to a ninja hunter. Myself (warrior) and a rogue rolled Need on it (It's the reason I was running the instance) and then we were shocked to see the hunter roll Need as well. His reason? "yeah i can use it for tight spots". Incidentally, he already had two epic one handers equipped, both with actual stats that were much better suited to a hunter's needs.

If you play on Silvermoon (US), avoid grouping with Foodmaxxfabo. It's dumbasses like him that give hunters a bad name.

*!@#$%^ ftl.

Комментарий от Thottbot

would this wepon work with flurry and mongoose and bloodlust with all this buffed it would be faster than 1.0 sec attack speed now thats insane with WF wepon

Комментарий от Thottbot

I have the Blade of Infamy but at a 1% drop rate I gave it a try to see how the haste proc's. The ppm is more than once a minute, in fact it can proc again RIGHT AWAY. With my other BT haste gear and abacus it was up to 38% haste, hmmmmmmm.

Комментарий от Thottbot

/wank at this item. should drop a wep that looked liek this from first boss in ramp to

Комментарий от Thottbot

Are there any weapons out there that match the bladefist for offhand?

Комментарий от Thottbot

just read history of kaegath,in this weapon was put instead of his left hand when he himself cut it of....so why the hell is it main hand wep? lol

Комментарий от Thottbot

Yay just got this on my druid.

What?

I collect fist weapons...

Комментарий от Tahuma

(PRE-Classic-BC speculation)

This weapon grants melee/range haste, not to be confused with Spell haste, which would mean that anyone trying to game the system of proccing this weapon to get an 11.3% (haste rating divided by amount of haste per 1% haste bonus, or 180/15.8) will not affect anything considered a Spell.

At 2.6 speed, this will make for a strong, 'slow' main hand weapon, as it can only be equipped in the main-hand anyways. This weapon could theoretically be used by a hunter trying to get a cheeky proc, however since this weapon has no base stats, you will be banking on the proc alone for damage. Feral druids, if I recall correctly, still can not proc weapon effects, and are stuck with stat stick staves and polearms.

This weapon has no bonus stats, so it may be a downgrade depending on your current weapon set-up, especially if you rely on your weapon to reach hit cap, want expertise to reduce the amount of times an enemy dodges your attacks, or you are playing a warrior or rogue who is using sword specialization and who currently is using two swords.

If anyone nabs this before I do, please let me know if you can proc the buff and weapon-swap without losing its buff. It could make for potential risky (to your dps) plays to weapon swap off Bladefist after an opener just for the haste buff, since 11.3% haste is pretty damn nice, assuming you have a strong weapon replacement.

If you are like me and really want this weapon, but want to know of some alternative weapon choices for your Mainhand that are slow weapons (around 2.6 speed), there is Кровавый демонический потрошитель Shattered Halls , Кромка Космоса (sword) Mechanar, and Отражающие клинки Arcatraz. These are all of the slow main-hand weapon drops from dungeons at lv70, there's lots of faster weapons that can be used as well if you're so inclined to give them a try.

And above all else. The bladefist gives you style points, which is often the most desired stat of all.

Комментарий от nookclassicwow

hey all so i did some of my own testing on this items proc rate this morning. i play an enh shaman and attacked the target dummies on ptr with only bladefist equipped (wf on it as well) and used details to track attacks/procs. I also used the in game stopwatch to roughly time the time between procs. In 574 auto attacks and 196 WF procs there were 16 bladestorm procs, with 6 of those procs overwriting previous procs ( i think this was kind of a an anomaly but i dont think it matters much, im not really trying to look at up time here). watching my in game timer and the buff uptime i saw instances of bladestorm overwriting itself 3x in about 5-10 seconds. I saw a miracle instance of 3 procs in 40 seconds perfectly lining themselves up without overlap, and i also saw large gaps between procs, the longest being around 1:45. I know this isnt the largest sample size but i think it conclusively proves that there is no ICD at the very least. using these numbers it looks like there is around a 2% proc chance for fist to proc. id say the 2% proc rate is up to some margin of error, i suspect it is slightly higher than this. Also for those curious even with bad overlapping and no offhand or cds i was getting around a 24% uptime in this window of ~600 hits.

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