So here's my question: I know that Socrethar's Girdle probably beats this belt out on it's own, but if you're wearing the entire primalstrike set, is it worth losing the set bonus (now +40AP) in order to switch this for the scryer belt?

The net result of switching from this belt to Socrethar's (assuming you're wearing the whole primalstrike set) is:

+2 AGI
+20 Hit
-76 AP (!!!)

I'm ignoring the bonus stamina you'd get if you wore the primalstrike for now as I'm only worried about DPS. That bonus 20 hit is nice, but losing out 76 AP seems like a lot. So what does everyone think? Does the set bonus close the gap between Primalstrike and Socrethar's girdle?

Edit: going by shadowpanther.net's MAEP metric, you end up with 2 AGI + 20 HIT = ~25 MAEP, whereas 76 AP = 38 MAEP, so fwiw you're better off keeping the set together if you believe in MAEP.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

2.1 stats: 205 armor, 20 agi, 32 stam, 84 AP.

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http://wowvault.ign.com/fullstory.php?id=28278

"Leatherworking
- Skinning higher level creatures will give more leather; you will no longer get a single leather scrap.
- "Knothide Armor" kits now require less leather to make and give skill increases for longer.
- Leatherworking made primalstrike set now has an attack power set bonus rather than a strength set bonus."

Unfortunately, no details on what the AP set bonus will be.

If it's not "+40 AP", expect a lot of complaints from feral droo's who either stuck with Elemental or (worse) paid to switch to it to craft this set.

Totally understand why Blizz would make this change (STR=2AP to ferals, 1AP to rogues), but doing so now and still charging 100G to switch craft specialties is just nasty.

Also odd that this specialty set will still have no sockets?

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This set before 2.1 didn't deserve a 2nd look. After the patch the items are pretty insane and getting a set bonus that involves bracers and a belt is very nice. I make very good money as a miner/jewelcrafter but hearing the horror stories of LW it would probably be near impossible to go from 1-375 without skinning. So I guess this is an award for all those rogues that stuck with LW for so long. But it isn't free.

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63/75 cords in Searing Gerorge

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IMO they need to upgrade these pieces. For the mats required to make this, there should AT LEAST be some hit rating on it; I'm not even willing to drop my Socrethar's Girdle for this (a lvl 67 quest reward). And there goes my set reward...

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It's a pretty good set. I would like to see some more +hit on the set all around, but sockets are probably just asking too much considering the AP on it. I myself am leveling LWing as we speak to get it, and for my problem on +hit I got/ am finishing up getting the Fel Leather set which should help my hit rating, plus I am putting Wicked Noble Topaz in them (+4 crit +8 AP). I put +26 AP on the Fel Leather Gloves, planning on putting +24 on the Primalstrike Bracers, Cobrahide Leg Armor on Fel Leather leggings, +6 all stats Primalstrike chest, not sure bout the Fel Leather boots yet, and there is sadly nothing I can do with the belt...Hell maybe they should put a socket or two in the Primalstrike belt.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I have a GREEN lvl 69 Expedition Girdle of the Bandit...

+21 Agi
+32 Stam
+43 Attack Power

Cost about 5g at AH.

This supposedly EPIC item needs 5 primal mights and a primal nether... ridiculous. This is seriously under strength for the mats it requires. Sure it has EPIC quality mats, but an EPIC item it aint. Very sad.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I am not sure whats going on with these Primalstrikes. They went from worthless pre 2.1 to pretty good after 2.1. But still these are nothing compared with the tailors making their Epic gear and the Blacksmiths making their Purples. If they added one or two sockets to each piece they would be quite nice. Or at least they should have upgradeable situations Like Blacksmiths have on their chestplate of Kings etc. I am at 362 Leatherworking and running Kara so by the time I am 375 I may have better gear anyway. Give me a socket, give me hit, or give me death. Blizz buffed them once. They may want to consider buffing the set again. Great AP for all pieces, the chest nice overall, but I think the Leatherworkers deserve a bit more after seeing all of their tailoring buddy's get epic'd out and Blacksmiths making very viable "end game" pieces too.

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I know this set isn't designed for the more 'hardcore' players but still, for the time and effort needed to max LW there really should be a better end reward.

In one AV weekend u can accumulate enough honour for the pvp belt and bracers, and with a bit of luck u can get a better chest piece from Gruul.

With my lock i'm still wearing my frozen shadoweave set because its that good. As its already been mentioned - a gem slot or 2 would really make this worthwhile but as it stands atm its not...

Комментарий от Thottbot

This belt is good, but it is slightly worse than this quest reward if you want maximum DPS.

Комментарий от Thottbot

honestly I don't see where everyone is getting the "OMG it's so hard to level up LW" thing. I was Enchanting/Herb.. saw this set and wanted it.. so dropped herb for LW. This means I had no skinning profession, no skinning alt, no friends giving me mats. 0-375 LW in 6 days (a few hrs a day), using a small fraction of the money I would've spent leveling most of the other crafting professions to 375. Maybe my server is special and due to the high amount of skinners the mats are otherworldly cheap.. but I just used the recipes that required the fewest/cheapest mats. Started this venture with 440 gold. Got LW to 325 with that 440 gold.. just buying skinning mats off the AH. Once I got to 350, things did get much tougher, but in the end I don't think I spent more than 1500 gold. Had my chest crafted on the 7th day, and the complete set the next day.

Комментарий от Thottbot

you all need to realize the difference between PvP and PvE. This is a PvE set...so i do not want to hear about "it's really lacking stamina"...you don't need stamina in PvE...the attack power on this set is godly. I personally have an entire set for PvP and an entirely different set for PvE. I advise you all to do the same. And for whoever said "you can get lucky and get a chestpiece off of gruuls...WTF are you talking about? there's no chestpiece off gruul lawl."

Комментарий от Thottbot

where are the coors for the elemental LW guy for horde?

i know he is in arathi but where?

Комментарий от Thottbot

alright, so every1 is &*!@#ing that the set isn't good enough for the mats and cost of leveling, and the other profesions have it so much better. The truth is, every other crafted epic with the exception of the primal mooncloth set can be replaced in kara. I spent a fu**load of time&money; leveling blacksmithing, had to run enough heroics to get ten primal nethers, and replaced my end-all super epic chest in kara. Crafting profesions just aren't what they used to be u won't see end game raiders using crafted stuff... not sure whether this was blizz's intention or not, but thats how it is, so deal.

Комментарий от Thottbot

The whole set rules and i cant find any 3 items which have more AP people don't realise that its PvE not all round PvP. It does cost alot of time and effort but i think well worth it in the end

Комментарий от Thottbot

good rogue what is subtilety till the 10% atk power bonus;

399 AP without enchants(inclusive all the 3 versions of primalstrike, including the agilety bonus atack power, without agilety:256 atack power+ set bonus:296atack power+10% more=330 atack power)
63 agilety
92stamina(means920 health)
12 hit raiting
743 armor

that's all the stats it will give: much atack power

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