I honestly think that the speed is to give it viable use for a combat dagger spec and mutilate spec...

1 - while it's still slow-ish for shiv's (and CP procs), it still only makes shiv 35 (which is at least a "nice" number =P),

2 - it's not too fast to make up for some higher mutilate hits/crits (which generally slower daggers are preferred)

I don't know the math behind the dps gained/lost/whatever with combat potency, but as far as I know it can't be too much... at least not enough to make this weapon not taking

Комментарий от Deltronz

speed of your weapon makes a HUGE difference, a lot of you are making it out to be 'not that comparable to the white dps' but its big

Комментарий от 76379

With the inc haste rating nerf, this is, IMO, the best offhand stats-wise until the offhand Warglaive.

Комментарий от 699

Second Best Dagger Offhand for a Rogue right now.

The first being:
Messenger of Fate

Link:
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=32269

THis is due to both the faster speed, although the stat's are arguably better o nthis item for DPS the speed and stam are great on MoF.

Комментарий от 1815

As a Fury warrior, while this weapon is undoubtedly godly as far as stats go, if you are looking to make a fast/fast setup with synced weapon speeds ( hint: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30621 ), then you should consider using the Swiftsteel Bludgeon as a main hand with this; the reason being the normalization constants for daggers and maces, which are 1.7 and 2.4 respectively.

Комментарий от Fallerup

1.5 speed is kinda slow for offhand isn't it? but hey, if its gonna be used at all its ofc. offhand... personally, the best combo would be a 1.0 offhander like this: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=18584 and a 2.0 mainhander (or slower) would make the best combo... but you can't have that... yet... since the linked weapon drops of illidan and it comes with a matching sword (2 X 1.0 speed, clearly hunter/fury warrior loot) ... but that would be best... so.. best offhand dagger atm when it comes to speed is https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=32046 <-- MG offhander... ... but ofc. as mutilate rogue, you want full power in both hands meaning 2 X slow daggers... (1.8+)... but I guess if you check stands and dps and all that... this can be used just as well as retainers blade (scryer exalted)

Комментарий от 74981

This is one of the best offhand daggers for the Rogue class at the moment. Very nice +hit,crit, and attack power. Also looks sick.
However enchants DO NOT show on it and it has a beastslaying enchant glow to it- also the eyes glows and leave a trail when u run.
The shiv energy cost of this is 38- I think, need to log on and check
Drop rate is 10% from the insanly easy boss Rage Winterchill-https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/npc=17767
Overall a must have for any Rogue that cant get a Messenger of Fate (even then its a toss up, stats or pure +hit,crit rate)-https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=32269 Heres a pic-http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/5088/trackerbladeqv2.jpg

Комментарий от 91496

My druid has this, and I put icy enchant on it, and it doesn't glow!!! Needless to say, if you want this for RP, beware! :)

Комментарий от 104482

This dagger looks just Awsome with https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30901 and 2 glowing orb trail rox , they both create imba visual pair

Комментарий от dautaras

i got this baby for my hunter with a 20agi enchant and it totally pwnz and i also got https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=32236 that too with a 20agi enchant . And i am usually in top 5 in my guild's dmg meter.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Amazing rogue PvE offhand, zero stam means nothing but offensive stats, and a lot of them. 1.5 speed is a bit faster then one would prefer (1.3 would be ideal, and 1.4 would also be nice), but you can't have it all it seems. It is still amazing, however.

These drop of Rage Winterchill, the first boss of the Hyjal Summit.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Here's an image of the dagger

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Grabbed this on my hunter to throw 20agil on it, replaced a Big Bad Wolf's Paw from KZ.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Anyone have a screenshot?

Комментарий от Thottbot

A slower weapon tends to do more damage with ambush or backstab, not because it's slow, but because slower weapons tend to do more damage per hit. It used to be that the attack power bonus applied to ambush/backstab was based on the speed of the weapon, but a long time ago, Blizzard "normalized" instant melee attacks to negate this, meaning that attack power bonus was calculated based on a normal, constant attack speed. Normal Dagger speed is 1.7, normal 1h weapon speed is 2.4, and normal 2h weapon speed is 3.0 (not sure about that one). So when deciding which weapon to use in which hand, the one with the higher damage (not dps) should go in the main hand, and your offhand would preferrably be something fast, because poison procs are based off a percentage change, not procs per minute.

Комментарий от Thottbot

lol if u have blazefury i doubt u would be on thottbot asking what hand and if its good to use it :P

Комментарий от Thottbot

1.50 dagger with 100.3 dps wow

Комментарий от Thottbot

Put Messenger of Fate in the offhand and you'd be unstoppable.

Комментарий от Thottbot

the speed, rating bonus and incredible dps makes this a total rogue dagger.

one would have to spam many feints to keep from drawing aggro w/ this mother :)

Комментарий от Thottbot

To above me.
Even if this weapon is equally good for a rogue and hunter, then you should realize that a rogue is specialized in using daggers, and uses these often.

Hunters on the other hand need a good bow/gun mostly due to their ranged specializations.

If I see that single epic bow/gun you want as hunter, I dont roll on it either right? So why would you roll on a rogue-preferred weapon

Комментарий от Thottbot

The age old argument...

This is a simple case of Rogue first, all other classes second. If you disagree with this statement, you've either hacked the game or you don't know how the class play and what is useful for what. If your raid is just getting into places like this, you will need to upgrade your player's gear sensibly. Theres a lot more to this dagger in terms of overall dps than the stats, or even the base dps quoted on the item description.

1.5 speed - This screams offhand. Anyone who puts this in the MH needs their head checked. This will proc combat potency, and mongoose, like a beast in the offhand. So your overall dps in the raid will skyrocket past the plain quoted stats, but only if its given to the right class, i.e. a rogue.

The fact is that a rogue will make better use of, and gain a greater dps increase with, this dagger, than any hunter you or I know.

Besides, if Hunters just want this as a trinket slot for stats, there are plenty of other weapons of all shapes and sizes out there with similar stats on them. Don't deny your raid the dps it badly needs for the sake of a couple stats - get an enchantment if you want that.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Tracker's Blade in my offhand:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/alessthanperfectfiction/trackersblade.jpg

Комментарий от Thottbot

Please tell me how many classes have attacks that REQUIRE daggers. hrmmm. any hunter who tries to take this before rogues (OR AFTER ALL THE ROGUES HAVE IT) any other melee that wants it is a greedy @#$%^&. Thats like a rogue saying "uh, yeah that epic ranged weapon gives me 20 more ap than what im wearing now. What do i care that the hunter would get a weapon with 20 more dps? Screw the raid group! It gives me an ever so slight boost in dps!" But I don't even know why im so worked up. Any guild that raids this far will have members that know what should go to what class.

Комментарий от Thottbot

WTF is up with all these hunters trying to claim EVERYTHING!

Комментарий от Thottbot

1.5......... Too slow for Combat Potency procs.

Why Blizzard, why?

Комментарий от Thottbot

I got this on my hunter fyi cause no rogue wanted it. Only drops once for us so far.

And no, i wouldnt take this above rogues ;)

Комментарий от Thottbot

OF COURSE ITS offhand.. i played a rogue on 60 and quit it bar some casual pvp but still this is obvious

Комментарий от Thottbot

Great rogue weapon. That 100 dps plus stats is great for a fury war... although i've not seen alot of fury in endgame now adays...alot of em of are arms but i'm sure they're out there and could get this as well, but should be behind a rogue imo. Hunters would benefit greatly from the stat bonuses as well. I roll a few differnt dps toons with me and my buddies accounts in a range of different points in endgame raiding. I just want to point out that when people use the argument for who should get this by saying "there are other ones out there".... well that may be true.....but gettin em to drop is a different story ..heh... If you do some looking around or have expierence in alot of endgame you'll see blizz puts certain names on non class items to give you a hint as to who might benefit well from them... in truth tracker gear is usually slated toward hunters. If this had been rolled as a one handed axe the argument wouldn't be so heated ....heh...another case of blizz messin with us...anyway good luck all who want this.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Not necessarily just rogues need this blade. While it would be a great rogue off hand, it would also be an excellent enhancement shammy main hand, provided you have no weapon haste rating whatsoever. If you want the math look it up yourself; I'm too lazy to explain it.

Basically im saying, rogues, don't hog everything plz. I'm a 70 enh shammy and my windfury destroys with this thing.

ps: as long as i'm talking about shammies - you want the SLOWEST OFFHAND WEAPON POSSIBLE for your enh shammy, and a weapon speed as close to 1.5 as you can get for your main hand, without going under 1.5. Again, the math is complicated, but it's a fact. Oh and, all of this is only true if you are using windfury weapon. If you're one of those people that swear by rockbiter... don't get me started >_<

Комментарий от Thottbot

what on gods green earth are any of you people claiming to be hunters doing. obviously anyone making comments like that doesn't actually have a hunter...any self respecting hunter who is a member of a guild that would see this drop would probably want https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=32248/алебарда-опустошения with whatever enchant you see fit according to spec(lets not get into that on a dagger thread shall we), AND ANOTHER THING. all you little nubs using the phrase "&*!@#$%" need to go choke on it. it bugs the hell out of me. Just cause your bestest friend rolled a hunter and sucks at it as badly as you suck with your whatever you have doesnt mean you can post on here about it. ARGH!...anyways. rant end. someone post something with shaky math about ambush damage ranges...

Комментарий от Thottbot

3 weeks of downing Rage, 3 Tracker's blades, Getting fed up of only having one loot that doesnt get d/ed...

Комментарий от Thottbot

Picked this up last night for my rogue.
Nice stats :)

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