From what I've seen, each set of goggles can only be seen by the class they're geared towards. As a Mage, I never saw the Priest goggles on the trainer. So I'm guessing you have to be Shaman here. I don't -see- hunter goggles, but as of now, WoWhead has only 11 of these showing up, and notes said 13, so maybe they just haven't been added yet.

Still, very nice move on BLizz's part to add goggles for each SPEC, and not just each class.

Комментарий от 17933

Kind of pathetic that the leather goggles are so good for hunters and these are so pathetic. Some day they'll figure out how to put stats on an item so hunters can actually use them for any other reason than wearing some cool looking goggles.

Комментарий от 28451

How much skill points do we need to craft these goggles?

Комментарий от Akeche

It's funny how these are pretty much... exactly the same as the DPS Plate ones except for armor, I just found that funny.

Комментарий от 25148

As a hunter i wish one pair(this) was purely for hunter stat wise. As it is, it is just more shammy loot.

Slightle better than https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28192 i guess, except for the intellect and the +35 hit with 2 parts of deso

Комментарий от Spl4sh3r

Why do people think this isn't a hunter gear aswell as a shaman gear?? It got good AP and crit rating and you can add more with the meta socket.

Комментарий от 5960

Considering the fact that https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28331 has more stam and crit while sacrificing only 8 hit rating and 23 AP... I don't think there's any point in crafting these goggles.

Комментарий от 48549

Buffed to:

726 armor
44 stam
blue socket
meta socket
bonus + 4 crit
10 hit rating
26 crit rating
116 ap

Комментарий от 45518

Why is everyone saying that these are more Shammy than hunter? I don't see a single stat that would marginally benefit one more than the other. And to the comment about these being useless if you can just get the Gladiator helm...uhh... these are craftable, and they can also be equipped at level 50 as far as I can tell. Should be much easier to get.

Комментарий от 49004

Also of note, the detect arcane vortexes in Netherstrom isn't working. I extracted 6 motes without actually seeing the vortex.

Комментарий от 25692

does it give a bright green glow? cause from your pic it seems these give off a glow.

Комментарий от 31072

I see it as a strange green too in my PTR, seems almost like it is a bugged or incomplete skin.

survival hunters get +15% agi and will put a mark on monsters that increases AP of all attackers by 25% of agility...so obviously survival hunters get more out of 1 point of agi than they would out of 1 point of crit or 2 points of AP. I don't know that shamans get anything like this, but those are 2 glaring reasons why hunters would argue they want to see agility on an item to make it "hunter" gear.

Комментарий от 36978

Can anyone on the PTR currently confirm the mats required. I've seen some say it requires a primal nether, and some say it requires 4 fel-iron bolts. I just want to know if I should be rolling on the primal nethers in preparation of these goggles or not. Thanks.

Комментарий от 35640

Blizzard makes me wanna puke sometimes. Leather goggles have 48 agi!!! Mail has ZERO! ZILCH! NADA!

Mail gear is broken. Shaman's and Hunter's are the worst 2 classes in the game... and the pathetic mail gear available is a huge part of why.

Комментарий от 36978

Here's what the goggles actually look like

http://webpages.charter.net/replex2/surestrike_goggles.jpg

I think the 'green goggles' picture must have been taken before the skin was finished and uploaded into the PTR

Комментарий от Rizzu

Can anyone verify if this is taught through a trainer? Or is it an epic drop?

Комментарий от 55073

These are pretty sweet, even for me and I'm survival. (which crushes MM DPS btw) I put in a +agi meta with +3% crit damage increase and a talasite with +4 crit and +6 stam. Its actually less AP and 50% less agi off my other helm but 41 crit points easily make up for it. I replaced a crit trinket with an AP trinket and made up the agi with enchants.

Комментарий от 40282

To everyone who complains that the leather is a better choice, it isn't, because a hunter cannot make them. Also since straight Atk, crit is now better than agi for hunters these are better for hunters anyways. IMO

Комментарий от 34422

Hi ppl, just wanted to make some clarifications with these goggles:

1.) The increased stealth detection bonus on this thing stacks with "Track Hidden" (quite nifty indeed) It also stacks with a felhunter's "Paranoia" buff (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=19480). Yummy, more stealth detection power :)
2.) The detection of objects that are "out of phase" includes gas clouds which yield various types of motes. Gas clouds are scattered across many areas in outlands and act like "nodes" such as herbs and mines. The Zapthrottle Mote Extractor then takes on this role :) (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=23821) This can be quite useful indeed, but I haven't tried it yet.
3.) The Longsight vision is instant cast, and is very powerful for zoning in for close-up views. With a 3 second cooldown and the ability to freely rotate whilst looking at stuff, I'd say its better than Eagle Eye.
4.) Keep in mind that any Master Engineer in Outlands should be able to teach you how to make these. This Includes the ones in Telredor, Thrallmar etc. Its BoP so keep in mind that only you can make it and if you drop engineering, these won't be useable. Also, you won't be taught to craft any of the other goggles like the Deathblow ones. Just these if you're a Hunter.
5. Usable at level 62; these goggles can potentially be one of the big contributing factors to a lvl 69 twink's dominance in BGs. They will also greatly serve the wearer well throughout the lvl 60-69 range.

These are very nice goggles, and can be a nice upgrade or even a alternative for those who have:

Stalker's Helmet of Second Sight - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=31106 (SMV quest reward)

Helm of Desolation - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28192 (Last boss in BM drops it)

Beast Lord Helm - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28275 (Last boss in mechh drops it)

Dream-Wing Helm - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27888 (First boss in SL drops it)

Netherdrake Helm - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=29510 (Craftable by LWs)

Storm Helm - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=23534 (Craftable by BSers)

Steelspine Faceguard - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28671 (Shade of Aran drop)

Lots of AP, a nice chunk of crit rating as well as hit rating makes these goggles worth considering if you don't raid alot :) Some nice sockets for the icing on the cake too ^^

Комментарий от 34251

This item makes me wish I was an Engineer.... Alchemy sucks ass for Enhancement Shamans.. :(

Комментарий от 59509

I know this may be stupid, but you can use these in arena correct? I forget if not being able to use engineering items in arena counted on equippable non trinkets.

Also, has anyone tested the +stealth detection against rogues to see how, if at all, effective it is?

Комментарий от 78410

An excellent piece of equip, the material costs are low for its quality. Every hunter who picked up engineering and isn't far into endgame raiding should make this, it's just as good as T5. Although it lacks Agi and MP5, it's got solid Hit, Crit and AP.

Cause of the high Crit I might even wear the Goggles over T5 as non-survival Hunter. In any case, you can save a lot of DKP on the T5 helm to spend on more important gear, and pick up the helm when everyone else has it and it's low on DKP.

Комментарий от 83803

does any1 know if a 39 twink could use this item?

Комментарий от 95192

Here are the correct base mats needed:

30 Knothide Leather
10 Mote of Fire
48 Fel Iron Ore
120 Adamantite Ore
32 Eternium Ore
6 Khorium Ore
2 Nightseye

Note: this does not take 16 Eternium Ore or 60 Adamantite Ore as others have stated. It is a common mistake to calculate the number of bars needed and not double it to get the number of ore needed.

Комментарий от MaskedMustelid

Imo, I'm not sure I'd give these up for even the T6 Gronnstalker helm (not taking into account set bonuses) for pure unadulterated DPS. Less agility and stanima, sure, but the hit and crit more than make up for it. True, blue sockets don't give much choice for hunters, but given you need a couple for a relentless earthstorm diamond anyway, it's not so bad.

Coupled with a relentless earthstorm and a +3MP5 gem and the +34AP/16Hit head enchant, it gives me a total of 2201 HunterAEP; whereas the Gronnstalker with a +16AP switched for the MP5 gem but otherwise the same meta/enchant gives you only 1955 HAEP. Of course, YMMV and that all depends if you subscribe to the formulae in the first place or what gems you use, but I'm betting I'll still be wearing this into the next expansion for a good while to come.

Комментарий от smashfanDS

If I have this equipped and then unlearn Engineering, will it still stay on me, or will it get unequipped?

Комментарий от 18543

Since S1 Arena gear is cheap and easy to get, just for fun, here is what the Gladiator Chain Helm has, in comparison:

+19 sta
+ 18 int
+ 0.8 crit rating
+ 1.36% dodge
+ 20 resilience
+ red gem slot instead of blue
MINUS 26 AP
MINUS 13 hit rating
MINUS gas spotting
MINUS 5 stealth detection

Комментарий от 121430

As a Survival hunter and an engineer, these goggles are very disappointing. Blizzard needs to learn how to budget gear for survival hunters too, since I am just as disappointed with most of the tier and pvp gear available due to an utter lack of agility on most of it.

Additionally, this item has changed in patch 2.3. Gas nodes (for use with the Zapthrottle Gas Extracter) now appear on your minimap when used.

Комментарий от gundamgpo1

Do you have to be goblin engeneering to get training?

Комментарий от ovrsteps

This is going to get an updated version in patch 2.4. I don't know what level of engineering it'll require, but most are thinking 375. It will be called "Surestrike Goggles v3.0" and will requite four Primal Airs, four Nether Motes (new items added with 2.4, perhaps as Magister's Terrace drops or daily rewards), and a pair of v2.0 goggles.

Комментарий от 27313

Mats if you dont have mining:

6x Heavy knothide leather
1x Primal Nether
2x Nightseye
3x Khorium Bar
1x Primal Fire
8x Felsteel Bar
6 Hardened Adamantite Bar - Or ask a BS guy to smelt 60x adamantite bars to 6 Hardened adam. Bars.

Комментарий от Jdac

Ok.. this may be a stupid question, but as i havent seen any gas clouds at all on my minimap... is the track gas clouds thing activated as soon as i put them on, or does it have an ability to use? if so i cant find it, lol.. any help would be appreciated.

Комментарий от 94309

These have a level requirement of 62, if anyone wondered. Just figured that out on my 350-engineering hunter in level 61.

Комментарий от Knoxpwns

As noted by Hayzuce futher down in the comments, I wanted it to be right here so people would see it.

Комментарий от 53766

These goggles are awesome, even a little better than tier 4. I used a little algorithm to calculate the value of each stat, I don't know how accurate it is, but here it is:

1 stat is worth 1
20 armor is worth 1
2 attack power is worth 1
1 critical strike rating, hit rating, or resilience is worth 1.5
gems are worth 12 (the best gems are worth about 12 using the above values)
meta gems are worth 15

With this system, Surestrike gets 229 (I added 15 for abilities), and tier 4 gets 188, but it's probably slightly higher due to set bonuses.

Anyway, the stats on this thing rock. It has plenty of potential for high stamina, as well as having great crit and attack power for optimal dps. This is SO much better than all that hunter/shaman gear with all the spell crit and stuff.

Комментарий от 82881

Now that Primal Nethers are not soulbound anymore, there is little holding you back (other than cost) from getting this incredible headpiece right when you ding 62. Friggin amazing piece for the leveling hunter. Will cost up to 1000g in mats but ***completely*** worth it. Funny wearing better than tier 4 equipment at 62 :-P

Комментарий от 147431

I see quite a few people complaining about these goggles not being suitable for Survival Hunters. I don't know about other Survival hunters but when I am not raiding I spec out and go BM for the superior DPS. As such, there are a few pieces of gear that I swap out too; pieces that focus less on Agility and more on AP. I take myself away from being Survival-mode ("must stack Agi, must stack Agi, must stack Agi... go go EW").

Yes it'd be nice if there was a craftable helm on par with these goggles that helped Survival hunters. But seriously, if you're in content which promotes you being Survival spec then chances are you're being given countless chances to get a helm piece which is better suited for your raid spec.

This helm is on par with T5; BM hunters would be hard pressed to make the T5 helm an upgrade. It's not uncommon at all that BM hunters where this piece until they get their T6 helm (which even then is not as much of an upgrade as one would think it'd be).

Комментарий от 148685

k, i was wondering if it was worth taking engi on my enhanc shammy for these?

Комментарий от 1Beachcomber

Earthwarden's Coif is also a very nice quest reward helm for either hunters or enhancement shamans.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I still haven't seen 1 arcane vortex or any other node in any of the areas. Any1 have an idea of where they might be? Would I need to make the extractor for it?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Sexy

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I think u can use these 2 try and tame the awsome ghost wolf... unsure of this though...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

never seen a soul wear these,in att power comparison to the T4 helmet for hunters,with highest att power gems,its pretty close to the same amount,which makes me wonder why dont people have these? im making them currently as i just discovered them but omg they kick ass look cool,give stealth detection and scope they will up me to 2000 att power as a MM hunter with hawk and aura,

70 Night Elf Hunter Dath'Remar <Nooblet>

Edited, Jun 1st 2007 11:52am by Vanista

Комментарий от Thottbot

The vortexes you can see are mote clouds like the ones in Zangarmarsh and Shadowmoon.

The equip here will replace the current goggles:
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=23762/ультраскопические-очки-обнаружения

Motes can then be extracted using:
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=23821/удаленный-конденсатор-выхлопов

Zangarmarsh - motes of life
Shadowmoon - motes of shadow
Netherstorm - motes of mana

Was really looking forward to these, as I don't have my tier 4 head yet... but sadly the nerf train ran by more than once :( got nerfed in ap and stamina and now they need a frikkin' nether too ._. oh well. Guess I'll be making them anyways.

Oh, and stupid crappy look... make some new goggle skins for the epix Blizz!

Комментарий от Thottbot

the engineering trainer @ Telredor in Zangarmarsh

Комментарий от Thottbot

u can also get Neters from the Badges u get from Heroic instances (Badge of Justice i believe). 10 Badges for 1 primal.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Umm, all of these certain types of goggles are specific for one class, and i would say these are VERY good for hunters.

Slightly less armor than tier 5 hunter set
Meta Socket (and blue, nothing special)
28 stamina (again, nothing really great)

But the equip effects are probably the best thing, 1% hit chance, almost +100 AP, 2%crit chance, stealth detection, plus some random crap i would say is actually very good for hunters

Комментарий от Thottbot

who gives this pattern for horde?

Комментарий от Thottbot

do you need to have either Goblin Engineering or Gnome Engineering to make this or it doesnt matter?

Need reply pls tnx

Комментарий от Thottbot

Here is the mats breakdown (Note: im note going into ore):

6 Heavy Knothide Leather (unless you can get someone to make them for knothide leather (30) or knothide leather scraps (150)
1 Khorium Power Core >> 1 Primal Fire and 3 Khorium Bar
2 Hardened Adamantite Tube >> 6 Hardened Adamantite Bar (or 60 Adamantite Bar)
4 Felsteel Stabalizer >> 8 Felsteel Bar (or 24 Fel Iron Bar
and 16 Eternium Bar)
1 Primal Nether
2 Nightseye

So you will need:

6 Heavy Knothide Leather, 1 Primal Fire, 3 Khorium Bar, 6 Hardened Adamantite Bar (or 60 Adamantite Bar (if you can smelt them)), 8 Felsteel Bars (or 24 Fel Iron Bar and 16 Eternium Bars (if you can smelt them)), 1 Primal Nether, and 2 Nightseye.

Thats alot of money, but its worth it

Комментарий от Thottbot

i got the recipi for these goggles from grand master engineer in thrallmar in hellfire peninsula, im level 54 and had all the mats to do it, just missed the primal nether, saw it is BoP so i think this is made so someone my level dont use the goggles since it only has restrictions to engineering level and i have it, think its impossible for a lvl 54 to get 1 primal nether, i was excited to use this aswell as my goblin rocket launcher (that one i already have) and be overpowered for lvl 59...

Комментарий от Thottbot

Making it
Nightseye+Knothide Leather = 100g Total
Adamantite Tubes = Go to Warmaul Hill in Nagrand, TONS of Rich Adamantite (9 Veins!), And you will get Eternimum
Felsteel Stabilizer = Mine some Fel Iron bars, Use the Eternium you got from Adamantite
Nether = Run Heroic Mechanar

EDIT: I didnt want to tell you but thats just plain EVIL
Khorium Power Core = Go near Xav'ari (The quest Ethereal you needa kill) South of Tusker in Nagrand, There should be a set spawn Khorium Vein there at the Hill, Mine it. Go farm Fire Elementals, Or Mine Fel Iron Deposits, Or go buy a Primal Fire on the AH...

The Total cost it should cost you will be
120-130g

Комментарий от Thottbot

I use bambi math to check whats best. Which mean I give prime ability (agility for hunter) and crit x 2, the rest I give 1. Since all have meta socket and gem spot, I ignore those.

Tier 4 (Demon stalker) gets
35x2 + 28 + 27 + 66 = 191

So Surestrike v2.0 gets
28 + 13 + 38x2 + 96 = 213 + stealth detect.

Tier 5 (Rift stalker) gives
40x2 + 36 + 25 + 6 + 82 = 229 + mana

Merciless Gladiator's Chain Helm
37x2 + 55 + 19 + 22x2 + 22 + 50 = 264

Could ofc make own calcs for pve only hunters.. But I say these googles are better than tier 4 :)

Going to kill prince today.. uncertain if I will need on the tier 4 helm, since I have the googles.

And ofc, there are better math engines for these comparisons out there :)

Комментарий от Thottbot

Does these google require Goblin or Gnome engineering. I am about too create a hunter and I don't know much about Engineering. Can all engineers create these or does it require Goblin or Gnome Engineering? :)
Please just respond if you know what you are talking about :P

Комментарий от Thottbot

Made these today and they certainly are a sweet bit of gear.

However, i dont know what the benefits are of having, "Equip: Allows the detection of objects that are slightly out of phase, such as the arcane vortexes of Netherstorm."

Anyone give me any information on this?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Hunters DO need stam for pvp. Not so much for pve, but for pvp 9k HP is ok and 10k is good. And then try to get over 25% to crit w/ atleast 1700AP.

One helm overlooked for comparison to the surestrike goggles is Mulgar's Warhelm. https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28801/боевой-шлем-молгара

it's got 31 more intel than surestrike, more stam but no sockets or cool extras. You gotta raid gruul's and win the roll however.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just want to say that this mats takes eaither like 500g or a few days farming for the Khorium.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Which Meta Gem can i socket ?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Very easy mats. I made mine in 1 day of farming motes and 1 run of heroic BM. These are equivelent to SSC loot

Комментарий от Thottbot

ummm.......im a little cofused. see i want to kno what the use of the motes you extract are or are they just a use for some moeny.

thanks

Комментарий от Thottbot

Name em

Комментарий от Thottbot

actualy there is not specification which lvl it requires. this makes me think it only requires 250 engeneering. however i put it on 70 so cant confirm is this true but indeed there is no lvl requirement on that

Комментарий от Thottbot

... is having the required engineering skill and the honored status with Thrallmar. (or any other faction really, as long as you can do heroics for it)
This way, if you have a guild who can boost you trough an heroic you can get the primal nether needed to craft this.
I have this on my lvl 63 hunter with the Thundering Skyfire Diamond metagem and a Infused Nightseye, I'll be able to keep to keep it for a loong time.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Suposedly there is a less than 1% chance that a Primal Nether can drop in Ramparts. You can go into Ramparts at 55. I did about 10 runs with my Shammy (and 4 level 70 freinds) but didn't get lucky :( Gonna try a few more runs before I level out of 60. Would be too much fun to hit AV with this baby!

Комментарий от Thottbot

Ok, I just made these on my hunter other day & the current on-equip says: "Shows location of all nearby gas clouds on minimap"
Now, which types of clouds is this? All or just air. I found one once in Nagrand, just a day before I made these & extracted it to a mote of air. Are there other types in other zones?
Also, does this stack with other hunter tracking, or does our tracking override this equip?
Ive been flying all over Nagrand today & havent found a single gas cloud anywhere to test any of this...

Комментарий от Thottbot

In 2.4 patch notes: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html primal nethers are no longer bop. This means that at lv 50 one can forseeably equip these, does no one else see a problem that these engineering goggles(and the sister ones) will become available at that level?

Комментарий от Thottbot

They are very helpful and the fact that you can see the vortex for motes is the best ;o) Reallyu cool hunter's head, my opinion ofc.

Комментарий от Thottbot

which trainer do u learn these from for alliance?

Комментарий от Thottbot

No longer work for lvl 59 twinks.

Комментарий от Thottbot

i guess everyone forgot about shamans lol

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