No, 3.4 is not too fast.

In terms of end game pve 2h Swords/Axes/Maces are basically going to be itemized with 3 class/specs in mind: Ret Paladins, MS warriors (Blood Frenzy bots), and Hunters.

Given the lack of agility and the much better and much more readily accessible Shivering Felspine, it's clear this isn't a hunter weapon.

With the haste on the weapon itself, this is essentially a 3.34 speed weapon with the highest top end in the game. From the standpoint of a Blood Frenzy warrior, 3/5 flurry brings the speed down to 2.83, which is good for the standard dps rotation of 4x slam, 2x ms, 1x ww.

Normal rotation would look like this (assuming the average .1 second lag time on slam & 100% flurry up time)

0.0 - White attack
0.6 - Slam (Swing reset)
1.6 - Mortal Strike
3.43 - White Attack
4.03 - Slam (Swing reset)
5.03 - Whirlwind
6.86 - White Attack
7.46 - Slam (Swing reset)
7.6 - Mortal Strike off cooldown
8.46 - Mortal Strike
10.29 - White Attack
10.89 - Slam (Swing reset)
11.89 - Open GCD
13.12 - White Attack
13.60 - Mortal Strike off cooldown
13.72 - Slam (Swing Reset)
14.72 -Mortal Strike...

Given this rotation and lag time it still leaves .33 seconds of open GCD after each special attack which is nice for extra lag/reaction time. Some of this could also be readily filled with the haste rating on the very nice Onslaught Boots and Belt, as well as some of the other Sunwell armor pieces (it would take ~250 haste rating on gear in order to fully compensate, a number that is impractical to reach for given other gearing requirements).

All in all, even considering the quicker speed to the weapon, it's still well within acceptable limits for a Blood Frenzy warrior. It's unfortunate that these circumstances brings the weapon under 3 seconds thus interfering with the cooldown on Windfury, but that is also assuming 100% flurry uptime which may not neccessarily be the case.

On the flip side, quicker auto attacks means more chances to proc sword spec. It's also worth mentioning that as gear upgrades are attained, and more haste rating becomes available, some arms warriors may switch over to a slamless dps rotation utilizing a DST.

Комментарий от Frogger101

A ret paladin going from Shivering Felspine to Apolyon, the Soul-Render will gain;

35+dps ~regardless of faction. Both SoB and SoC will gain that much from swapping these weapons out according to spreadsheets. Making this hands down an amazing retribution paladin weapon.

Oddly enough the speed on this weapon screws around with warriors, esspeically ones using a cats edge. The upgrade from cats edge to Apolyon is very, very small for them. Right now due to this you can find many posts on the warcraft boards like this one; http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6441213731&sid=1&pageNo=1

These posts are suggesting for a slower speed, as some warriors can even see the S4 weapon out dpsing this baby for their spec and rotation.

Smart guilds with the way the sword is at the moment will hand this to their retribution paladin, then their warriors. It is just not enough of an upgrade for a warrior to give it over the ret paladin.

Комментарий от cosmic

A great Two-hander. Any class that can use it could benefit from it.

Комментарий от Gorger

US first obtained on June 7 by Metin <V A N Q U I S H> of US Cho'gall. A retribution paladin.

edit in 2022: Y'all know I'm going to get this again in TBC Classic.

Комментарий от 156306

Lol my heart goes out to those who voted down my comment. If you love the cartoony weapons WoW keeps churning out lately... my apologies.

Комментарий от 62247

Forgive me, but if the top end damage of the weapon is the same as the other swords (in fact it's higher, as far as I know its the highest top end damage weapon in the game) then the damage it deals on an attack like mortal strike will be the same, therefore the speed doesn't matter. It's a better weapon than say the Brutal Gladiator's sword because it would do similar damage in strikes, but you'd strike with white damage more often.

It would be better if it was slower, yes, but it is still a superior weapon damage-wise because you wouldn't lose any damage because of its speed. Think of it as a 3.6 speed weapon with a little more haste.

Комментарий от 50594

King James Bible
Revelations, 9:7-11

7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. 8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. 9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. 10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. 11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Комментарий от 164759

If you socket this with 3 +10 Strength gems thats 30 strength equalling 60 attack power.
I'm not sure if strength adds to other stats too, but it would definatley be nice to see some more on this sword rather than a ghastly 100+ AP.

Комментарий от Dithunder

Personaly this weapon makes a great pally weapon because of its high damage which makes crusaders strike a bit more powerful.

Комментарий от 157534

Blizzard needs to redesign the stats on this item as follows:

Apolyon, the Soul-Render
Binds when picked up
Two-Hand Sword
416 - 625 Damage Speed 3.50
(148.7 damage per second)
+75 Stamina
Red Socket
Red Socket
Red Socket
Socket Bonus: +6 Stamina
Durability 120 / 120
Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 42 (1.9% @ L70).
Equip: Your attacks ignore 224 of your opponent's armor.
Equip: Increases attack power by 126.

If you went through the hoops to down Muru and the last boss before L80, you deserve a weapon that is truly superior. The S4 sword should not share its graphic either.

Комментарий от 145397

Sword currently appears not to take a glow from enchants (i.e. no lightning effect from Mongoose). Whether this is intented or a bug, I don't know.

Комментарий от 58842

This is an excellent choice for fury warrior looking ahead to utilize it with the WotLK talent 'Titan's Grip'. The 3.4 speed and 2.03% haste will serve the talent well!

GL getting one!

Комментарий от Croco

this exactly what I want to say: titan's grip. I am lvl 45 atm so not even my wet dreams can conceive a blade like this one, but Sul'thraze I can see around the corner... and it got me thinking. so I wanted to see what is the best 2handed sword in the game till now. this sword feels like it's made for titan's grip fury warrs! it will sure make whirlwind alot more fun! :))

Комментарий от 144835

You guys realize there's gonna be better 2H weapons at lv 80, right? So saying that "this goes well with Titan's Grip" is quite a redundant comment...

Also, with many balance fixes, or with the present mechanics... this one might/should be changed to Unique due to the fact that many top end dps 1Hers are Unique...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This sword drops of Kil'Jaeden in the Sunwell Plateau. Definitely the hardest boss so far (relative to progression, not being redundant!).

Incredible weapon, ridiculous dps and stats.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This sword is sick enough as it is. With more than 3.40 and all Strength instead of AP, this would've been through the roof. It has about the same damage range as the season 4 twohanders (a tiny bit better) even though it has a "crappy" 3.40 speed (Cataclysm's Edge is 3.50 and has the same damage range as season 3 twohanders).

Compared to Brutal Gladiator's Greatsword (without Blessing of Kings, 3x 10 Strength gems):

+1 top end damage
+8.4 damage per second
+15 Stamina
+54 Attack Power
+32 Haste rating

-8 Crit rating
-33 Resilience
-98 ArP
-19 Hit rating

You get more in some departments, but miss out on important stuff like hit rating and resilience. You can still roll with the season 4 weapon and get away with it, but if Apolyon was.. let's say 3.60, it would've been the obvious choice for both PvE and PvP. Point is: the season 4 weapons will hopefully be a lot harder to get (than they were in season 3) and they should not be inferior to this sword in a PvP setting.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

has anyone got this? would love a screen of it :D

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Who drops this?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

the 3 red sockets on this sword make it absolutely ridiculous, drop 3 +10 str gems in it and with divine strength and BoK thats like an extra 70 AP for a ret pally. although the 3.4 attack speed isnt the best for ret pallys

Комментарий от Thottbot

Best 2h wep for wars in game so far.

has the same look as season 4 2h sword.

Комментарий от Thottbot

This drops from Kil'jaden in Sunwell.

Комментарий от Thottbot

sweet ! you can vendor it for OVER 20G :D:D

Комментарий от Thottbot

dropped for in Harmony (EU)

http://wow.buffed.de/uploads/pics/news_Schwert_IH.jpg

http://wow.buffed.de/uploads/pics/news_KJ_schwert.jpg

Комментарий от Thottbot

MOHAWK WEAPON.

Комментарий от Thottbot

OBVIOUSLY a discipline rogue weapon. LET'S GET OUR FACTS STRAIGHT PEOPLE!

Комментарий от Thottbot

This is definately a Tauren drop. Notice the Stam? Taurens get 5% bonus to stam. Best fit for a Tauren rogue.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Considering the facts of most of the above sentences i
really wish Thottbot had a spam filter.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I think it's kinda !@#$%^ed when people say, "looks like s4". Wrong, s4... looks like this, yes there is a difference. When people say that this "looks like s4" then they're saying that this was made to look like s4. No, s4 was meant to look like this, you all fail.

Комментарий от Adelebea

This is a weapon for mages since they have low melee damage =/

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Урон: 404-607	Скорость 3.40

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Прочность: 120 / 120

Требуется 70-й ур.
Если на персонаже: Повышает рейтинг критического удара на 42.
Если на персонаже: Повышает рейтинг скорости боя на 32.
Если на персонаже: Повышает силу атаки на 126.

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