This bag is really worth it's money not to mention it's on a stable price and not varying as the 20slotters on AH, I hope it won't get Unique-Equiped or such, just think about those druids that have both tier 5 and tier 6 and they're trying to get gear for all their 3 specs or paladins, those ppl would be in dire need of bag space, I personally don't like to shard my tier 5 because I got tier 6.

Комментарий от 164229

This bag seems a little pricey for a very insignificant bag space gain.

Most people will be upgrading from the Netherweave Bags (16 Slots; Virtually Free) or the Imbued Netherweave/PMC Bags (18 & 20 Slots Respectively) which are a bit more expensive (50g/350g respectively on our server). So best case scenario you're looking at an extra 6 bag slots at around 200g/slot, worst case you're looking at 2 bag slots at 600g/slot.

It is a lot more efficient for you to simply create a guild bank on an alt. The first slot will set you back roughly 100g (insignificant overhead to create a guild charter) and net you 96 slots - a price of just over 1g/slot.

The only argument you could make for an actual need for these bags would be for tanks taking multiple resist sets to raids, but even with multiple resist sets, full consumables etc you really don't really need it. You've also got to consider the timing of the bags release. With the release of WotLK lurking in the not-so-distant future you could make a safe bet that you will have access equal or bigger bags at a lower cost in the expansion.

Комментарий от Xpariah

The only issue I see with purchasing something like this this late in the expansion is what is soon to be on the horizon. If 22-slot bags will become the norm than this is just a quick way to get ahead of the curve. But if bag slots increase even more, it seems like a pretty steep price for something replaced rather soon (in terms of a MMO's lifespan). If you have gold in excess, by all means. But if you need extra bag space and are tight on cash, I would recommend the previous poster's suggestion about using a guild bank on an ALT and waiting it out until tailoring information is released for WotLK and see what the new bag slots will be.

TL;DR: You've made it this far on 18- or 20-slot bags and if 22-slot will not be the new maximum, it might be in your best interest to wait to see what WotLK will offer you.

Комментарий от zhek

The biggest and baddest craftable bag has always fetched a price far far greater then it's lower (and usually drastically easier to make) version.

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Pre-expansion you were looking at world drops for near EVERY 16 slotter. Mooncloth bags come from a world drop pattern and took a decent chunk of time and effort to make back in the day. So most players had 16 slotters from the AH, via random world drop Traveler's Backpacks. 18 slotters were premium items, two were boss drops, another was a Argent Dawn grind late in pre-expansion.

There's a craftable 18 slotter from way back, but combined with the cost of the mats and how fun it was to earn gold back then (and the fact that the pattern was a world drop off various raid bosses didn't help) I can't say I saw many of them, and definitely never had one myself. I couldn't tell you what the cost of a Bottomless bag was reliably, but it was probably close to a thousand at a point where most players probably didn't have their epic ground mount.

In TBC we see the 16 slotter solidified as pretty much bare minimum, due to dirt cheap costs for Netherweave bags. We see the former premium negated by making 18s MUCH easier to craft, and the new premium becomes 20s. There are two sources for 20s outside of crafting, and crafting them IS generally cheaper and more common then Bottomless bags ever were, so it might mean a slight trend increasing accessibility.

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But either way, I think this still shows a good chance of these things lasting a good ways into WotLK. They'll probably move 18s up to the new standard, 20s will be the new bag size to aim for, and 22s will be the new premium. Maybe late WotLK we'll start to see 24s, but by then, will 1200g matter? You'll have enjoyed having 22s from before you even set foot into Northrend.

Looking back on my post makes me feel like I'm referring to rim sizes, but I think it's value is a bit less epeen flexing then that. I know that for my hunter, going from easy to buy 18s, skipping the now fairly sparse and generally much more expensive then usual 20 slot bags entirely, and just dropping a bunch of gold on these means a decent chunk of space I get to enjoy on a character who only gets 3 bag slots.

Dropping enough gold to fill my bank with these guys? I dunno if most players are ready for that. Some spare gold to make room for whatever you want? Seems a solid purchase, and again, going by existing trends, you won't be worried about replacing them for awhile. Gold isn't worth anything if you have nothing to spend it on. I know that once I got used to earning gold, I got to enjoy the perks of spending it as well. I could penny pinch all the way into late WotLK, but by then, would the money even be a concern?

Комментарий от 145380

Ony dropped 18's
Mags dropped 20's
There's no reason to expect the "boss drop" bags won't be 22's.

If you can get 22's now, and use them for the leveling grind (less trips to vendors more time killing), it seems like a worthwhile thing.

Personally, I probably won't replace my 20's with 22's (only have 2 20's), but I will probably replace my 18's with these.

Комментарий от coredumperror

The bag size limit is almost certainly not related to data storage problems on servers. The only thing that your bag needs to hold is the item id (a 5-digit number) and any gem/enchant IDs for that item, which would account for, at most, 4 more 5-digit numbers (and it's probably less than that, since there's so few gems and enchants compared to items that they can use smaller numbers). So, each bag slot needs only store 5 small numbers (2 bytes each), for a total of 10 bytes per slot. Even if every player had a dozen 22-slot bags (including bank slots), that's a very small amount of storage, even for several thousand players per realm. That's on the order of only 20-30 megabytes of storage, total, for a server with a population of 10000 players.

Since there's about 10 million WoW players, you could estimate that the total storage necessary for every bag in game, across every server, in every country, is around 30 gigabytes. That's less than half the size of the average hard disk on a single personal computer.

Комментарий от Warrok

Your breakdown is an assumption of how it could be done efficiently. I think you forgot to store how many of an item are stored in which specific slot of a specific bag. So it might be a little bit more, but nowhere near as much as Blizzard is wanting us to think.

Interestingly a Blizzard employee stated in a bluepost some months ago that there actually is a physical limit to item storage and thus we won't see huge storage space increases in the future. Even back then the argument sounded somewhat weak.

The only thing I could imagine is a certain inefficiency with the size of larger database tables. Though in the end it boils down to the fact that Blizzard might have to upgrade servers which are run by our subscriber fees.

Комментарий от sdkphoenix

The most slots you can have in a bag is 36. Look here. Anymore and your game would crash when you open your bags.

Комментарий от 62113

As a Paladin heavily active in both Tier 6 and PvP, I have 9 sets of BoP gear and respec by the day, sometimes by the hour. In no order: healing raid (balanced/MP5), healing raid (haste), healing pvp (Mp5), healing pvp (haste), healing pvp (balanced), tanking raid (balanced), tanking raid (shadow), Ret pvp, Ret raid, grinding. Granted some sets use some of the same gear but when you play long enough and get every off-spec trinket, might as well use them if they fulfill a niche.

Additionally I have my "purple judgement" set I worked so hard for pre-kara back in the day. That set is worthless to me now if it weren't for the immense nostalgic value I have for it. I know I'm not the only one who's kept an set around for this reason. I just can't bring myself to DE it.

For all the Rogues/Mages/Hunters/Locks out there, try rolling a hybrid if you haven't already, then get back to me on the "worth" of this bag.

Комментарий от coredumperror

Axier, your argument is utterly baseless.

Just for the fun of it, lets assume extreme inefficiency in how items are stored, and each slot requires an entire kilobyte of storage on the server (this is so completely unreasonably high that Blizz would have had to have used a retarded orangutan to code the bag system, so it'd actually be a lot smaller, but this is just for fun). That's 32 * 1024 bytes * 5 bags * 20000 players per server = ~3 gig TOTAL per server. If that's even a measurably significant amount of storage on the servers they're running, Blizz is siphoning more of their > $1billion a year income to their CEOs than I already assume.

Now assume that each each player has to send his entire inventory's worth of data to the server every time he picks up an item (also ridiculously inefficient and unlikely). That's 160kbytes per 20 seconds while grinding mobs. 160k would take less than 3 seconds to transfer to the server even if you were using a 56k modem, and it'd take <0.5 sec on any kind of modern broadband. If 200 players sent 160k to the server at exactly the same second (again, quite unlikely), that'd require ~32.5 meg/sec of download bandwidth for the server to not choke on it. That's about 1/3 the speed of the slowest corporate datapipes that server's use to handle internet interaction with users.

And if any of these numbers seem high to you, don't forget that the original estimate of 1kbyte per slot is probably almost 100 times more bytes than they actually use. That means 3 gigs per server becomes 30 meg per server. 160k per 20 seconds becomes 1.6k. 32.5 meg/sec bandwidth becomes 325 k/sec. All those numbers are so utterly trivial that blizz could safely ignore all the space and bandwidth that is used up by bags.

The real answer to why Blizz limimts our bag sizes is exactly what Zuiko said: "The real reason is game design. They don't want people to have unlimited space so they have to choose what they want to keep and can't keep everything they find."

Комментарий от 46951

This is deffinatly their way to try to control the overflock of cash that's likely gonna happen. From here, to S4, to WotLK people are pretty much gonna be stockpiling their money and doing dailies with nothing to spend on. This like someone already stated will keep the market down. I do however think the price is rediculous, but I can deffinatly see why Blizzard did this.

Also, in WotLK, without a doubt, they will be implimenting 22 slot bags much like the 18 slot bags that we have now. I'd imagine that 24 slots will be the new "bottomless/ony bag" 18 slot or "Primal mooncloth" 20 slot bag of BC.

Комментарий от 118118

Actually, there are many many more factors that have to be stored:

The ID of the character who owns the item, which can be upwards of 1 digits (Example) - Look at the URL
Charges.
Random properties (like "Of the Wolf" or "Of the Monkey").
Durability.
What bag slot the item is in.
The "<Created by ...>" tag. (Which is probably a character ID too)
The enchants and gems, as mentioned before.
The text for saved letters most likely has to be stored there too.

Комментарий от 43040

I don't know why you just don't look at the cost of this bag (or any other bag for that matter) as Gold Per Slot.

It's about 55g50s per slot for this bag. That equates to nothing in a days farming, instance running, dailies, etc. Especially when comparing it to the EASE of ATTAINMENT. <<No Spec Cooldowns, etc. Its about 35g/slot more than the current 20 slot bags.

At level 70 you can make 5 times that amount in a couple of minutes. So even with the conspiracy theories of 'blizzard money sink holes', 'database storage', or 'server lockup' (none of which pertain to this comment section) the price of the bag is very affordable to everyone except the lazy.

<rant>Playing wow I have come to realize that the only true 'poor' wow players with no money are the lazy-give me everything free-will raid for easy epics-low people. You know: the ones that have green gear and want to be invited to Kara badge runs on Friday, so that they can do 40 minute Gruul and Mag Saturday and then want runs in SSC / TK on Sunday. Always under geared in an over geared group. Always asking for Buff Food and Mage Tables, while you hope to god that they don't find out you're an alchemist or enchanter. They never have repair money and ALWAYS leave group on first wipe. Yet first to mention how epic they are? You know who I'm talking about. The lurk in every server. </rant>

In any case. An extra 35g per bag slot is not in any way shape or form expensive since Gold Grows On Mobs. And if they don't have gold: Trash Sells for Silver. Either way: You can earn more gold in a day for these bags by grinding, farming, questing, etc. than you will notice so long as you DO something to EARN IT.

The only Real change that any bag comments should address is: When the hell are we going to change out that freaking 16 slot Backpack?

Комментарий от 165220

It's BoE so that people can replace their alts' bags, their lv 1 bank toons' bags, etc....

Комментарий от 160970

This bag will rock.You can get a bunch in a week if you have 6 level 70's as i do.I do the dailies on all of them and get around 700-900gold(depending on green/trash/if i die ofc).Will be well worth the money imo!

Комментарий от 166822

I'm not sure that Blizzard would have to upgrade their servers at all. Last summer there was a PTR available just before ZA opened. It gave the option to load premade toons that came with all possible gear sets. Like for a warrior you got a prot set and two dps sets of gear. On these toons were full (4x) 36 slot bags. Foror's Crate of Endless Resist Gear Storage So it wouldn't be too much of a strain to go up to 22 or even 36 slot bags since they are already programmed in.

Комментарий от 166940

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'll probably wait until WotLK and then buy the much cheaper version of these bags from a tailor. 1200 gold for a bag (and considering that I currently have 4x 20 slot bags so it wouldn't be much of an improvement) is just sick. -.-

Комментарий от 1925

Most values (ids included) in WoW are 4 byte integers. What values one would ever need to describe a bag slot content?

item id
quantity (if it stacks)
charges (if it's of limited use)
durability (if it breaks)
3 gem ids (if it has sockets)
enchant id (if it's enchantable)
enhancement id (if it's a weapon)
timemark (if it expires)

Let's assume all of these values are always stored no matter what kind of item it is. 10 values = 40 bytes, let's round it up to 64 in case there are other values involved.

For the most populated server (34k chars) it's only a bit more than 2mb. Even with storage overhead, unnoticed bank chars and those of frozen accounts, etc, it can't be much larger than an average mp3.

So no, it's not about technical limitations.

Комментарий от Smilomaniac

I speak for most druids, when I say, that this is one needed bag.

As a feral druid, who not only has the 3 tiers, old tiers, resistance gear and the multiple tanking sets...
I'm also a pet and mount collector, as well as costume gear...

My bank which has 4 20 slot bags and 3 18 slots, is filled to the brim with soulbound items. My 4x20 slots on my character, have 8 slots left for drops...

I need these bags.

Комментарий от 139755

Big bag, big bag, booga booga booga booga big bag...

<.<

'>.>

Комментарий от 167444

The "Gigantique" Bag is the largest bag in game that can be used by a player. It is assumed that it will become available when patch 2.4.3 hits the live servers, however this is not written in stone. ex: there was a lot of people hyped up when they thought that riding crops would become enchants, this never made it to the live servers. At the price they are currently asking for the "Gigantique" Bag it is the largest money sink left in the game pre wotlk.
If you are trying to farm for this bag, i would recommend doing all your sunwell dailies every day for a week and a half to buy one.

Комментарий от 145977

First of all cats need more than one slot
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But thats besides the fact

More bags ultimately mean more grinding and I dont give a crap about grinding.

Sets really shouldn't be a problem in terms of bag space. Take the sets you need and leave the ones you dont in the bank.

Yes, I agree that two slots is a nice change but for so expensive a price I would stick with the 20s until your first kill in Northrend drops a 24s. Donate the 1.2k to the guild bank they could use it more =].

But if you are severly mentally challenged then get this bag if you have the money but two slots make a difference just not a big enough one to spend so much on.

Комментарий от 162477

it seems like an aswome bag but to think if its going to cost alot of money :(

Комментарий от Tribunal

Maybe Blizzard is trying to deflate the economy, but I don't see it.

I know players out there who have more personal riches than a Tier 6 server best raiding guild worth hundreds of thousands.

If so, 3-4 thousand is a drop in the bucket for them.

Some players are going to enter Wrath with lots and lots of money, no matter what.

I think this is more just to give an alternative to Primal Mooncloth, and the fact that it's a nice money sink is just a nice bonus.

But that's just my opinion.

Комментарий от 7675

The thing that really gets me about all these new bags is that while they keep increasing space, there is no increase in the need for space. Not only that, but as sizes increase, 2 extra slots is less and less of an improvement over the previous bags.

Комментарий от 91669

No no no, you guys are looking at it all the wrong way, Haris Pilton (Paris Hilton) sells a gigantique bag, it's like all the rich girls who walk around with Louis Vuitton bags
is it worth it to buy a bag for $1200.

Wow money is not real money, so go for broke ^^

Комментарий от 113456

This is, sorry to say, a poor idea.
People will only buy these so they can say "I have an Epic bag!"
Its a show-off item. Nothing more.
Yes, I have the SSO title, I'm working on Rep for the CE Mount, I have 3 different Netherdrakes and 2 different Windriders and I still have just under 8000g, but buying a bag for 1200g? For 2 extra slots? Not mention the waste of the 370g I spent on the bag I will be replacing.

I have 4 PMC 20-slot bags. I will not be buying this/these.
Complete waste of money for 2 Extra slots(for one bag) or 8 slots if your silly enough to upgrade all 4.

Although tbh, if it was a 24-slot bag...I'd buy 4. But Im sorry, 8 extra slots doesn't wing it for me.

Phew!
Rant over. Enjoy your bag(s) everyone.

:Edit: Spelling/This got a Negative rating? Lol? Someone must really like this item.

Комментарий от 138584

In so far as size limitations on bags.. my guess would be if any exist it is how the bag fields are coded in the database. OOPS... wrong/poor field type used, you now only have 128 characters to define the object and all sub components.... more than the actual database size limitations.

Комментарий от 159774

I can see some people wasting gold on buying this bag and trying to sell it on the Auction House to clueless people. This may die down over time; but when patch 2.4.3 heads out to retail versions I'd say expect this; it happened in the past to new items to vendors that people were curious about.

Комментарий от 68650

Why pay 1200g for 2 slots more? just do Magisters Terrace for
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=35516 drop pretty regularly for me...seen 6 drop in last 2 runs...Drops in Reg MgT and think a little more often in Heroic off random trash mobs

Комментарий от 118509

This bag is the largest container in the whole game.(Well at least non-specific ones ex: enchanting bags) It is sold by Haris Pilton in Shattrath City(World's End Tavern) for 1200 gold. I think while it does have a lot of room that price is way to high. It has 22 slots and is BoE. Haris also sells three rings and one head piece. They are all very useless unless you want one for your bank or just to look good. :)

Комментарий от 117629

I am having a problem buying this... I go over to Haris Pilton in the tavern but she offers no dialogue and no "vendor" page :< so I can't buy the bag?
Did they disable her or take her outta service? :<

Комментарий от Shorlin

22 slot bags will probably be the first grade of tailor made bags in Wotlk, so I will be saving my money on this one for something worthwhile in Wotlk like leveling inscription. My main could use the bag space now though.

Комментарий от 166026

Binds when Equiped! So give to a girl you really like! =D

Комментарий от 146819

Hopefully Blizzard will make bigger Tailored bags in WotLK. It's kind of ridiculous that the biggest bags of all can only hold one type of item.

Personally, I don't want to have to waste my money on the biggest bag I can find when I can just get bags from a Tailoring character I have for the cost of 8 slots. Least of all when it's an over-priced bag that has to be bought from an NPC named after a real-world celebrity.

Комментарий от 173945

Market prices for number of bag slot vs cost in gold fits a cubic curve quite well, and while one never likes to extrapolate, according to the current market a 24 slot bag will cost ~2600g, a 26 will cost ~4800g, and a 28 slot will cost upwards of 8000g. Quite honestly, that's pretty insane ... Blizzard has said that it doesn't plan to expand bag space that much because they are actually having storage issues, but won't they use up more storage if more and more people start making bank alts?

Комментарий от 49112

Personally when I pickup a bigger bag it means I can swap out a smaller bag from my bank, which is at the moment on my main full of 18 slots. So swapping out a 20 slot for a 22 on toon and therefore a 18 for a 20 in bank gains me 4 bag slots. I won't craft myself 20 slot bags for the bank but I will use hand me downs :)

With a Tattered Hexcloth bag available to your alts from ZA just by walking into a cleared instance, Sun Touched Sachel from mgt as a random drop and the possibility of a Pit Lord Satchel from maggy the chances are you already have at least one. Not to mention the Primal mooncloth which costs ~400g on my server

Sure 22 and possibly 24 slot bags will be probably be availible in wrath but hey they might introduce an extra slot, stranger things have happened

Комментарий от 173988

I have a bank alt that has a guild and four purchased tabs. Also, my main has 9 PMC bags. For me to upgrade all 9 bags it would cost 13,200g for a gain of 18 slots, just not worth it. Moreover, the thing nobody's mentioned here is that any bags with the total number of slots not divisible by 4, leaves a bag with an incomplete row. Having crafted and bought Bottomless Bags, or other "odd numbered bags" (I'll call them) -- there are two downsides: 1) You tend to overlook the rows with just two slots - things often 'disappear' in those slots, and 2) The effect of those two-row slots is that they auto fit your screen and reduce the overall size of each slot. A bag upgrade with a full 4 rows is worthwhile and worth the visual overhead (shrinkage). A bag upgrade for a two slot gain is just not worth the visual overhead.

The only reason I'd invest in these would be if I had a heavily-played alt or new main that didn't already have PMC bags. Even then, it'd be a tough call.

Комментарий от 152306

"Gigantique" is perhaps used due to its French-sounding last syllable and the spelling of that syllable (ex. chromatique, musique). It is apparently an inaccurate French translation of "gigantic" (which accurately is "gigantesque").

PARIS, France has quite a powerful position in the world of fashion. One could imagine a fashionable bag to be very expensive. Note that this bag costs a lot of gold.

This fact, combined with the argument that PARIS Hilton (the vendor's name is HARIS Pilton) has an exceptionally fashionable and high-end lifestyle, could lead one to a greater understanding of the name and price of the item.

-Matsim

Комментарий от 78468

Personnally I'm not going to buy those. The only char I have relative bag space problems on is my raiding character. I use it however few hours a day to fool around in Sunwell and then swap to various alts.

Also, I'm almost 100% certain we'll get a 22 slotter at the very start of WotLK. Thing like Imbued Netherweave Bag now (or even Primal Mooncloth Bag), even though Blizzard stated they won't be increasing bag space -much- more.

So no, it's not a money issue, gold is very easy these days. I simply don't think I'll need a bag space increase before WotLK (not to mention I'm considering rerolling).

Then again, it's a good call by Blizzard (and having "epic" bags is really tempting, too ;p)

Комментарий от 145116

since bags cannot be seen neither looking at nor inspecting a character, this time one cannot say this money sink is for people that want just to show off (as those who threw away 1000g to have that stupid label in front of their name!).
1200g can be done in a single day of good work today and 22 bag space is really worth it.

Комментарий от 165068

If you carry 20-slotters and use something else like 18's in your bank, not only are you getting 8 more slots to carry, but you also get 8 more slots in your bank when you move your 20's into it.

Extra incentive to get them imo.

Комментарий от Cr00xY

Discoussion about money and cost effectiveness of this bag is just useless couse if u cant earn money in this game (especially now when there are tons of dailys) then u should play some other game.

I would like to know if she is gonna sell unlimited or limited (when they spawn and such) number of those bags?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Hmm, I could use a couple of 22 slotters...nice price for it though >.<

They'll probably have 22 slotters dropping in the expansion anyways..it's just if you can wait for the extra bag space lol

Edited, Jul 16th 2008 6:18am by Mattagetz

Комментарий от Thottbot

Haris Pilton bag?

Комментарий от Thottbot

haris pilton sells this beauty for 1200g =)

Комментарий от Thottbot

Oh sweet jesus.

Комментарий от Thottbot

is it worth it ?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Yeah its a 22 slot bag for a reason, Haris Needs all the beauty products in the world to hide her real, hideous face.

Комментарий от Thottbot

HOLY @#$%! 1200gold?...

Комментарий от Thottbot

Ok please do not bust me on my math but here is the deal. 18 slot bags runs about 35 gold each and 20 slot bags runs about 400 gold each. With this in mind a 22 slot bag should be well over 3,500 gold each. I am a 70 lock and I have the 28 slot ebony soulbag. Locks are down one bag to start with. With this fact present I just got three of the new 22 slot bags. Personally, I believe that 1,200 gold each bag is a good deal. Any thoughts?

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