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Убили в 12 человек.
Сначала убили собак (выпуливая хантом по 1)
Потом уже босса, норм хилили танка, аддов заливали уже после убийства Натаноса.
Даже без магов, потеряли только 2х членов группы, и то из-за нападения орды

Комментарий от eskimosssr

убили в 5ппл (включили рейд)
стояли все на крыше, ханты и маги просто стреляли, прист хилил, под конец боя рога 1 раз ударил

Downed on EU-Bronzebeard Jan 4th 2007 by 16 people.

Whether or not the rumours about him only spawning the Skeletons if somebody gains HP are true, I cannot say. We repeated it several times how you shouldn't heal/Crusader/etc, but the Skeletons came fairly quickly.
They are level 58 Undead non-elite, so you can safely ignore them unless you are prepared to sacrifice some AoE'ers (Mages/Pallys, etc). They don't bring the casualty number up by too much, so you can safely DPS him away without worrying about getting aggro from them.

Комментарий от 6757

Don't heal. Healing spawns many, many magic immune skeletons.

Don't heal.

Don't heal. (Get it?)

Multiple tanks (or one very well-geared tank) are important as healing will usually cause unmanageable zergs of skeletons.

Try to kite or offtank the adds -- Druid running in Cheetah with PVP set bonus is one way for a flawless kite.

Комментарий от Popcicle

When pulled at the right place, the dogs can come seperately. Try getting the left dog when he is furthest away from Nanthanos.

Also, warriors with second wind should watch out, the heal spawns the skeletons.

Комментарий от 49977

I just did it 3 man today.

lv70 hunter (me), lv70 rogue, lv57 priest

Healing seemed to have absolutely zero impact on whether or not skeletons were spawning. However, proximity to his house did.

I pulled the dogs off and kited them for about 10 minutes to kill them both. Even if you pull Blightcaller with the dogs, he will leash but the dogs will keep coming. Mobinfo estimated them to have around 28.7k hp each. Not too bad.

After dogs were down, I started to kite Nathanos. He has a 41 yard ranged attack which has a cast time much like multishot, if you keep him moving, he can't shoot. Once I pulled him away from his house, say about 1/4 the way to Corin's Crossing, he stopped summoning skeletons, from there it was just an AoCheetah kiting with the rogue following him and beating his face in. I even got some renews and a heal on me with no skeletons spawned.

Комментарий от 15632

Lore tidbit: It was Sylvanas Windrunner who personally approved Nathanos as a Silvermoon Ranger. Since he has served under her so admirably in life, it is no coincidence that he became her personal champion in death. :)

Комментарий от Ruffles

4 manned it
Me 70 desto warlock, 70 prot warrior, 70 arms warrior and with the friend we were helping out 58 prot warrior. Beat the dogs up first, our tank held continous aggro. Then commenced onto Nathanos, Beat him down in half a minute. (our warr used recklesness) no heals used, but we got about 30 skelly spawns blinking all over the screen. "Don't press V lol". and just beat them all by order, piece of cake.

Комментарий от 57516

Just tried to solo it as a lvl 70 feral dru (lvl 57 lock doesn't count lol). Don't bother trying to solo it. I was like "wtf?!" when i saw the number of skellies and the dmg from the lvl62 elite on my bear

Комментарий от 56956

Solo'd as a 70 prot warrior, not easy and the adds ate 52% of my durability, but nothing like killing a raid boss by yourself!

Комментарий от 49755

Weird that he's faction is Orgrimmar, while he is Sylvana's champion

Комментарий от Nytefall

Soloable as an Affliction Warlock fairly easily. Get on the Southern most corner of the roof (took some effort for me to get up there) and Drain Life tank him. The hardest part of the fight is mana conservation. Bring a healthstone or two until you get the hang of it and remember - as soon as he resets if you hit him with Siphon Life rigtht away his health wont reset.

Good Luck

Комментарий от Notepad

Can be found in the Southshore townhall in CoT: Durnholde as his former human self, Nathanos Marris.

Комментарий от Icesong

If you Alliance knew how funny this guy is you wouldn't want to kill him.

Комментарий от 124201

We did this as a 3 man raid with our guild (Raiders of a Lost Cause on Quel'Thalas)

a Paladin tank level 70 and 70 mage and 65 resto shammy.
was very easy with casters on the roof and I just tanked the lot with ease.

Комментарий от 73562

Very easy to solo as a protection warrior with sufficient gear to reach very high avoidance + block percentage against a lvl58/60. Only the 2 dogs deal magic damage. Stay in berserker stance, equip your Figurine of the Collosus and off you go, after 5-10 minutes Nathanos and his 50+ cronies are dead. The Sporeggar Petried Lichen Guard shield with an iron spike and 40% block% help as well to speed it up.

Комментарий от 84381

This dude is way tougher than he looks...with two 70 rogues and a little dude mage, we were getting spanked. You can take down one dog at a time if you don't mind dying and then focus on him last since the respawn times are slow. This worked for us. If you like 70 solo challenges...give him a try and I think you will be surprised how tough he is.

Комментарий от Obelisk

This guy is awful to kill as he doesn't stand still for a sec..he summons 2 skellys once every 8 secs or so and then runs to shoot at the tank xD.We got him but the bad part is we had bout 60 skellys to take care of xD.You just can't beat all of them with a 4 man group.

Комментарий от 139657

Shares the exact same character model as Auctioneer Cain, an Undead auctioneer in the Undercity. Minus the mean lookin' axes, ofcourse.

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/npc=15682

Комментарий от Kurasu

I can pretty much guarantee that the skeletons are spawned when healing, though maybe late in the fight there's a spawn without. When we first began the fight, our group had a warlock in healing gear. We were overwhelmed by skeletons three or four times in a row. When the warlock changed out to PVP gear, and 'Don't heal unless needed!' warnings were sent out, we had a *lot* fewer skeletons and were able to tank him into the ground.

If you're going to take this guy, make sure you don't have healing procs on your armor or weapon. It definitely seemed to make a difference with us! Also, hunters should try and let their pet die (yes, even BM) rather than throwing a Mend Pet on it, since the HOT will spawn skeletons as well. And unless the pet is causing a ton of extra DPS, the loss in DPS is much prefered to the gain of 40 skeletons (unless you have plenty of AOE).

Комментарий от 162119

Downed him with a 70 warrior, hunter, and ret pally (me). First of all, no, healing does not spawn skeletons, I've confirmed keLston's post. I did no healing at all during the fight, yet we were almost over whelmed with skeletons. I agree that proximity to his house was the factor there.

Комментарий от drame

he spawns skeletons every 8 seconds not when healing.......

but dont heal as its almost 100% sure 2-4 skeletons will jump you

source - www.wowwiki.com

Комментарий от Thottbot

tloc 27,75

Комментарий от Thottbot

we did it with only 12 peeps and 2 tanks yesterday although we whiped 2 times because of the dogs, the best thing to do is nuke 1 dog at a time and then go for blightcaller himself :P

Комментарий от Thottbot

ROFL.. do NOT have priests use holy nova... wow.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Holy Nova doesnt gather aggro.

Комментарий от Thottbot

The easiest way to kill Blightcaller is to bring a raid group of 10 people.

3 Tanks
3 Palladins
2 AoE
2 DPS

Have tanks take on each of the dogs and Blightcaller. One Pally should be assigned to heal each of the tanks. Use rogues or some other DPS to take down the dogs one at a time then Blightcaller. When the pallies heal they will be targetted by spawned skellies. Have your AoE's take care of the pallies so they can focus on healing the tanks. Using priests to heal can be done but they will be targetted by the skeletons and will significantly raise the chance that you will wipe.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Forget what that tool above me said. This fight is incredibly easy if you just don't heal at all. Have everyone all-out nuke Blightcaller. When someone gets high on agro they can use agro reduction to bounce him to a new target, but he should be dead in under 30 seconds.

It is INCREDIBLY important to not have any raid members gain a single point of life. This includes, but is not limited to:

direct healing spells
heals over time
bandages
health pots
Drain Life
Vampiric Embrace
Crusader enchant
Lifestealing enchant
Demon Armor
any health-per-5 items
Lifegiving Gem
weapon procs that grant health
Darkmoon cards that grant health
ANYTHING THAT WILL MAKE YOUR HEALTH GO UP, EVEN A SINGLE POINT.

After the Blightcaller drops, the dogs follow pretty eaisily. You can offtank or kite them if you want, but it really isn't necessary. I recommend 10-20 people, but be careful of PUGs because some idiot always forgets about the one single rule of this encounter.

I did this about an hour ago and wiped about 4 times before killing the guy. Even after spamming raid chat with the specifics of the no healing rule, someone would Drain Life thinking it didn't count as a heal and all hell would break loose. I have never had so many face-to-desk moments in such a short time.

Комментарий от Thottbot

...unless you were all wearing tier 2/3 gear and got a little lucky.

We beat him tonight with a group of 15--about 5 o6 of which were not level 60. The trick is to just nuke the hell out of Blightcaller and ignore the dogs. We first tried to get two warriors to pull the dogs away and nuke him with the rest. It almost worked, but we wiped.

Then we tried the same thing again, but a druid used tranquility and there were immediately about 20 skeletons running around. Insta-wipe.

So third time we just nuked the hell out of him and he went down really fast.

Комментарий от Thottbot

it is completely possible to 5 man him. And he does spawn skellys when you heal. maybe he still does wen you still dont, but as soon as you heal he will spawn some

Комментарий от Thottbot

no way can u 5 man him at time of post bs,we had 8 and 4 70's, 4 56+ and was still tough.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Lol I just tried to solo him as a 70 prot warrior, got 31% of his health down. Could probably two man it with a good healer, it would just take a while.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Did this with a party of 4 (and this could be done with a party of 2 or 3). The basic strategy is to get on the roof behind him and have one person with a strong ranged attack go after Nathanos and have one or two healer types stand back out of sight on the roof and heal the person doing ranged combat. Nathanos can spawn adds all he wants and you dont care. As long as you heal the ranged attacker you will be fine. If you mess up just have the ranged attacker back up out of sight (on the roof) and heal up and try again.

Could also be done my multiple ranged dps folks and no healer by taking turn moving up into combat and then having the hurt person back up to bandage. Just have to not lose agro on him.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I'm BM spec level 70 so I just got two other BMs and pwned him. It helps to have Kara or higher gear

Комментарий от Thottbot

It is possible to solo him, Schoeps on staghelm has video on youtube!

Комментарий от Thottbot

Easy easy duo. Elem Shaman and Holy Pally.

Комментарий от Thottbot

never tried ot read up on him, decided to try it out. Solo'd to 15% as a prot pally =/ Going to grab a healer and knock him out, lol

Комментарий от Thottbot

You cant "solo" him if you have friends helping out :) heh

Комментарий от Thottbot

I think they must have nerfed him. Took him down with a 70 hunter, 67 hunter, 63 hunter, 65 paladin, 62 warrior, and 63 paladin. Just hit him like hell and didnt heal. Easy

Комментарий от Thottbot

downed last night with a holy pally tanking skeletons with concentrate in tank gear, a resto shaman healing plopping down windfury, and me a protection tank in dps gear popped recklessness duel wielding kings defender and sun eater. Easy stuff.

Комментарий от Thottbot

he has about 58k of health, even after 2.3 for those interested to know. I decided not to try to solo him.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just tried to solo on my epicced out elemental shammy, and got my butt handed back to me on a plate. I thought my armor (52% reduction) would be high enough to take the hits while I just nuke the crap out of him, but I was wrong! Have to have at least 5 imo, all 70s. I doubt many people still take him down, though, as the quest reward that you get from him is mediocre at best compared to what you can get on the first few quests in Outland.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just finished killing him after 4 wipes - lvl 70 holy pally/70 feral druid/57 holy Pally and 57 shadow priest - lower levels sat on the rooftop to heal while me and druid focused damage soley on him - skeletons come whether being healed or not - so once we were down to half life they started healing us.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Soloed with Lvl70 hunter - see "order must be restored" for instructions

Комментарий от Thottbot

I did it with a grp of 5, 4 lvl 70s and me lvl 59. Was extremely hard to do, tried with only 3 of us but we kept wiping. We finally did it with the 5 of us. 2 priests, 1 mage, 1 warrior and 1 hunter

Комментарий от Thottbot

lol, i just got 4 70's to help me, a rogue, a paladin and two warriors, i was happy with my 14.3k exp

Комментарий от Thottbot

duh you guys are saying how easy he is and ^&*! just remember this was pre bc -.-

Комментарий от Thottbot

Easy! Get 2 Hunters, Put thier pet on "Passive", A Warlock and a Priest. Get on your mount and go around back of the house. Use the hill and aim for the corner of the roof. Jump up on the roof (Might take 1-20 tries, but it is possible). Once everybody gets on the roof, position your Hunters on the roof at opposite corners, Priest & Lock in the middle. OPEN FIRE! Dot Dot Dot Dot Dotsss.... If you pull aggro watch your health, He has a Bow and ranged attack also. When your down about 50% just step back so he can't range you and Bandage/Pot.

He does spawn a ton of skeletons, oh well.. they can't range and can't get on roof. Take him down and then go after the 2 Dogs. I did it with a PuG, Had a Geared 70 Warrior with me, he was like, "No biggie" he's just a 60 Elite and 2 59 Elite Dogs, as long as we kill him I will get quest credit. He charged in and engaged and a swarm of skeletons jumped him!

We got the above mentioned group and the Priest was actually the 1 that told me about the Roof Trick.

It's much easier now with BC and much more powerful weapons you only need a couple of people, EPL/WPL is vacant most of the time and good luck getting a 25 man raid group together to fight him the "traditional way"

Комментарий от Thottbot

I went over there with me, a level 58 holy paladin, and a level 70 warlock and we wiped twice and only after the second kill did I realize this was a raid quest :P lol

Комментарий от Thottbot

70 Prot warrior with some early TK/SSC gear on, was able to solo him all by myself fighting him like a raid would (no rooftop stuff), it took several tries and some luck as well. Fought him in my tank gear but had to use zerker stance as I will explain :)

The main problem when facing him is the fears he does every so often when he summons the skelly adds. At 70 you mostly resist them, but any fear you may encounter can easily lead to your death as for 6 seconds or so you are unable to parry, dodge, and block any of his, and especially the numerous skeletons he summons, attacks, taking off a good chunk of your health. To solve this I kept equipped my pvp trinket for any mishaps, and actually fought him in berserker stance. The one thing that greatly helped in this fight was a shield warding for 4000 dmg absorption, adding 4000 health basically. Charged in and just devastated and heroic striked away, always ready to hit berserker rage if I got feared. When he was under 20% I was able to just execute him to death because at this point he had around 100 skelly adds pelting me in the face. That part is the hardest point because any fear that you can get, even if for a second, can quickly kill you with all the skellies wailing on you with no avoidance what so ever. Basically just pray for fear resists and hack away, use Last Stand and Shield Wall as neccessary.

Haven't tested it yet but it seems like it could be easily done with a Prot paladin as solo attempt. The consecration and holy shield from the pally will quickly kill the measly adds he summons, plus shadow resist aura will help the fear resist, and the pally can bubble when need be to fully heal themselves.

Комментарий от Thottbot

What lvl is he ?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just killed him with a group of three:
Me (61 Rogue)
63 Pally
66 Warlock

Jump on the roof and it is a piece of cake. Took maybe 5 minutes because we only had my thrown attack and the warlock's attacks (Pally just healed).

Really cheap way to do it, but nobody would join up to help.

Have fun!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I made a new and better screenshot for nathanos

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Ok, just did this 1/25/08. We verified that HEALING DOES NOT CAUSE THE SUMMON. Anyone who tells you this is not helping you. We took him easily with 2 70s (hunter and lock), a 65 mage, a 65 priest, a 62 pally, and a 61 priest.

Best strategy is to have a decently geared 70 lock dot all the skeletons as they come out, and keep dots on the main guy. Have the healers focus on the tank and lock. Everyone else dps. We had no issues with this guy once the hounds were down.

Brought to you by Jairone and the Council of Light. Hope this clarifies this guy. Oh, and yes... the skeletons are immune to aoe. That part is true.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

How hard does this guy hit, how many hp, any special abilities circumstances etc?
The quest description to kill him says..raise an army. Is that really the case?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

16 man PUG, headed by the Sen'Jin guild "The Newfallen" (about 10 of us). We pulled the dogs by themselves, then just DPSed the hell out of him. If it was DPS, we dropped it. One main tank, one main healer making sure he stayed alive. Our healer did HoT so there were more skellys then needed, I'd recommend just large chunk heals, but he fell before any of us did. Then the skellys wiped us ^^ And the two whorde didn't help either, but they fell nicely, adding a bit of honor to the kill ^^

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Did him with 15 people. Not everyone was 60. Wiped 5 times.

1. Just died
2. Tried to aoe skellies, doesnt work
3. Killed one dog
4. Killed the other dog
5. Killed the boss

Did take too long, just max dps on him.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Downed him today with 16 people all blue's 4 deaths 6 skele's spawned even though my healing meter had everyone at 0. Anyway took about 20 seconds after that took about a minute to kill dogs and skeles... easy as pie just nuke don't worry about kiting anything

Комментарий от Allakhazam

we had 37 ppl 60% were 60...half died.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Nathanos Blightcaller is located in Eastern Plaguelands at Loc (26,74) at a small farm.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

He spawns a couple dozen high level skeletons. You'll need a pretty decent sized raid to do this successfully.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Well this guy was easy as pie with about 22 people in the raid group. 12 of them were lvl60. 2 groups tanked the adds and others just nuked the hell out of him. About 8 people died :D

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Just did this with 13 of us. Found out that if you go along left side of dogs you can pull just them and then that leaves Blight all by himself. Made things alot easier so I would suggest someone else trying that next time.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Ok, I have been reading up on this quest fro at least two hours now. trying to figure out how to do it. i keep hearing different stories from people, i understand do not heal, but pallys and priest can bubble you, if you bubble the main tank, does that count as a heal? also, what level is he exactly?

i am trying to figure out what the level range should be. people say wit 5 70s it is still hard. i was thinkin of from 5-10 70s. my guild is mostly 70s so it not hard to find some. what would be the recommended number of 70s to take?

Edited, Nov 9th 2007 11:45pm by primedgreat

Комментарий от Allakhazam

It is clearly said in there that what makes him spawn skellies is any HEAL that lands on a party member. Not any spell that lands on him. Between others the spells restoring "X health every Y seconds" like Demon Armor and everything are ALSO considered as heals. Therefore, take them off before engaging. Also don't cast drain life spells.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

According to a comment under the quest to kill him, Порядок должен быть восстановлен the skeletons are spawned at set points in Nathanos' health. The poster suggested 1 group tanks Nathanos, and everyone else deals with the adds as they pop. I'd suspect Tuld's comments below about spells always spawning skeletons, and melee less frequently, was because spells do more damage per hit.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

10 manned him tonight on Kul Tiras, with a PUG. We wiped once per dog, then wiped several times on Blightcaller himself before managing to down him. The one horde PC we saw was content to sit and watch.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Downed last night on (the maelstrom) with 70 hunter(BM),drood(res) and 56 warrior(fury) 57 hunter(BM). We started by pet tanking then when drood pulled tomuch agro from skeletons he started to heal tank adds :D downed nathanos but got wiped by the hounds, went bck and finished them :D We tried this 6 times before it worked

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Heres how we killed him with 15 people:

Rule Number One: NO HEALING!
People think its any spell that hits him spawns skeletons. its not. its any heal that lands on a raid member.
That includes Direct heals, Heal over times, bandages, pots, life stealing enchants, warlocks demon armor, ANY drain life spell. etc etc etc

Anytime someones health goes up during this fight, skeletons spawn, more heals = more adds. so no bloody healing!

Rule Number Two: Ignore the dogs (for now)
You dont need tanks to keep them busy, or hunters to kite them, you'll get to them before they can do any serious damage.

Rule Number Three: NUKE Nathanos!
EVERYONE, and i mean EVERYONE DPS Blightcaller as fast and hard as you can. he's only got about 40k health, and drops FAST. Trust me, 15 downed him in under 30 seconds.

And after he's dead. deal with the dogs, and whatever skeletons you have (cuz you're bound to have at least one fool who does some healing)

Honestly, if you follow these rules, very few will die (only one died on our last attempt) and you should have no more then 4 skeletons running around.

Hope this helps you out

Комментарий от Allakhazam

just nuke him down, we did it with 20ppl
(mostly lvl 60), everyone nuked blightcaller,
and he died whery fast. no problem at all.

Edited, Sun Jun 19 20:59:24 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I sincerely doubt that the skeletons are spawned based on his health or based on healing spells. It is possible that any spell cast will cause him to spawn skeletons but this is very unlikely. I attempted to pull him to tirion (Didn't work btw, Tirion just sait there as if nothing was happening) by hitting his hounds with rank 1 moonfire. By the time i reached tirion, about 10 skeletons were with them and I got owned in about 1 second. I did not at any time hit him with a spell, so I doubt anything really has to do with the skeleton spawning. Its psossible that he spawns skeletons at set intervals of time but tahst about all I can think of.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Took him down with 5 on Azjol-Nerub just now

70 Tankadin (Me)
70 Priest (Holy)
70 Warlock
62 Pally
and a 56 Rogue.

We healed through the entire fight and I kept trying to throw Righteous Defense on the Priest to keep the Skellies aggroed onto me, Kept trying to throw Avenging Shields, Holy shields, Worked sadly like a charm, though there was a good 50 skellies up now lol, and we wiped, I must add now, Skellies are immune to all Holy attacks, and from my point of View when I used my Shammy earlier, they are immune to all AoE as well.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Just to clarify i rode by this guy and aggroed him, as he was chasing me he summoned 4 skeletons so it has nothing to do with the heals

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I figured it'd be a giggle if i kited him to lights hope and let the guards fight em. No deal, the gaurds hopped on me the second i ran into the town. >.> I call treason!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

If spells spawn skells evry time and melee doesn't, how is it with ranged attacks by huntresses? I mean, this could be a good fight for a major huntersgroup, as the pets can tank one skell each and the huntresses keep shooting at nathan. But when each ranged hit spawns two skells this tactics won't work either. Just wondering and planning to do the quest tonite, if I ever find a group strong enough...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Use purge on skellies! ;)
Enjoy!

AshBlower

Комментарий от Allakhazam

or so.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

5 manned him last night
All 60's...
Me (mage)
Warrior
Resto Druid
Pally
Rogue

All T1, not hard at all.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

OK ppl, here's a question to those that have already downed this fella

My guild tried to take him down, we were 10. We first somehow only pulled the dogs and took care of em. Later, we tried the fella himself but failed miserably. Yet, we are pretty much certain nobody used ANY healing sorta !@#$ that was mentioned on the websites.

So, I decided to make a test: when everybody went away and postphoned the quest, I spammed Frostbolts at him just by myself. (Im a mage and only had my Arc Intel, Mage Armor & Dampen Magic up) Wonder what happened? The guy did spawn about 6 to 10 sekllies and I was raped right there.

Ok so the question is if the guy spawns em no matter what? And what the f*ck can we do? *And do the skellies disappear once he's dead?

Thanks in advance ppl, Peace out...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

We downed him with 15 just recently. I swear to god, he must've summoned about 20 skeletons. We had no healers other than a pally, and suffered 4 deaths.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

10-manned him today. First two wipes took out the dogs. 3rd try focused all on Nathan. I think someone was healing the first two tries because about a hundred skellies were summoned, but none were on the last attempt until he was almost dead. Most party members were 60-65. Had one 56 and one 67.

Комментарий от Firewalker

Killed him today, in Classic. We brought 12 people, with quite crappy gear. Two mages had a LIP, to handle the adds (which came in huge numbers). We all died but managed to kill him. Everyone got credit, even those who released spirit and were at the graveyard.
He doesn't drop a scourgestone, so equip another trinket, if you have one, that might be more useful. Even Luffa can be useful, since the dogs can apply a rend effect.

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