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Это один из самых идиотских квестов в игре. Сходил уже раз 20 в Черные топи, упало только 7 "Суть бесконечности". В среднем 1 шт. за 3 захода. Ради сомнительного прока придется месяцами не вылезать из Черных топей. Стоит ли оно того?

Комментарий от Angilous

2 захода подряд в нормал и выбил все 10.

I just completed the master of elixir's quest. And let me tell you, it's definitely worth it. I've had as many as x3 elixirs at once. And if you have a lot of mats, and you're set to make about 20 elixirs, expect to get about 35 out of it. Very nice!

Edit:
Definitely no longer the case to get this many procs. Out of 20 elixirs, an extra 5 is much more typical.

Комментарий от Saint

All mastery has a chance to proc x1 up to x4 of the item.
Proc rate is 20%+ so crazy not to spec into one. Just a matter of asking yourself what you make the most of.

The description says all high level elixirs (meaning outland recipies) but I have also had this proc while making Mongoose Elixirs and also made a bunch of Ogre Strength's but never got a proc off them. So looks like high-level pre-BC recipies still proc along with but not all.

As an important note and often asked question, speccing into a Mastery does not increase your chances of getting a 'Discovery*' in that catergory of alchemy. For example become an elixir master doesn't increase you odds any of discovering* Flask of the Relentless anymore then an transmute master.

*Discoveries as they are called refer to a new dynamic implemented in BC. There are a handfull of recipes (transmute, elixir and potion) that can only be learned by an alchemist discovering them while crafting. There is no item created so discoveries can not be sold or traded. In addition the proc rate of a discovery is random and very low, less then .05% so discovered recipies can not be farmed in theory.

Комментарий от Reap

I have made around 40-50 elixirs and I got only 2 times x2 proc... an I bugged or what is happening? Any advices?

All elixirs over 300 like elixir of empowerment, fel strength pot, elixir of major agility, flasks, etc.

Комментарий от 24511

What about flasks (like flask of titans) is that potions or elixir ? :D wanna to know can i make them "x2" ^_^? i was thinking to take master of potion, but someone tell me that FLASKS is elixir so .... :D

Комментарий от 27692

I have made over 2500 elixirs and flasks of all kinds with Master of Elixirs active. After having read several wrong posts about master of Elixirs lets get some facts:

- Master of Elixirs is an Alchemy profession specialisation (remember you are stuck with the one you choose) you can learn by completing the quest "Master of Elixirs" given by Lorokeem at Shattrath's Lower City (45.7 , 21.1)
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/quest=10902

- Master of Elixirs will create 0 - 4 extra elixirs

- It is active for ALL Elixirs and will proc for flasks as well (lucky me had a 5x crit on Flask of Supreme Power)

- The Proc rate seems variable (my total average was 18,71%) As it seems there is a lower proc rate for the low level Elixirs (lvl 5-200 had a 12.85%) with a higher proc rate for the high end elixirs and flasks (27.40%)

- Master of Elixirs only activates "discovery" but does not increase the probability with Elixirs.

- You need to be 325 in Alchemy and at least lvl 68 to obtain the quest (all that say otherwise: add a screenshot or it didn't happen...) To be able to do the quest yourself you surely need to be 345 in Alchemy since that's the level for Elixir of Major Defense.

Комментарий от 6225

Doing mainly elixir of major agility and adept's elixir , my proc rate is around 20%.

Комментарий от 39711

I have kept a record of all flasks/elixirs made since I completed this quest and the proc rate for me has been about 20% across the line, irregardless of elixir level or where I have crafted it. This is based on a sample pool of over 1500 consumables made since completing the quest. It is random though, if you keep making stuff, it evens out. I didn't get a single proc off my first 10 flasks made and I had decided it procced for a lower rate then elixirs, the 11th procced 4 extra Supreme Power.....

Комментарий от 29641

To choose another specialiazion you need to relearn alchemy from skill 1.

Комментарий от 42485

People that have not decided yet.
There's an upcoming "nerf" to how elixirs work on patch 2.1.0.
That might change the way it works.

-http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94161512&sid=1
>posted by: Nethaera

Комментарий от Sengi

I think they changed the discovery thing with the patch , I got Flask discovery right after the patch http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5373/wowscrnshot052507153251hn5.jpg

at that time I didn't have any Alchemy spec .

Комментарий от 50864

İ have made a small calculation
İf you are a elixir master
and making elixir of major agility lets say
you grind the mats and buy the vial
20 vials cost you 7,2 gold (if you have enough rep which you will surely have at least in one city)
you are going to make 20 elixir of major agilities with herbs being gathered. So costs you totally 7,2 gold + some time.
when you make the elixirs
1) you might end up with zero procs
2) you might end up with all tries procced
since all making has its own proc chance
if you never proc you have 20 elixirs
if you fully proc you end up with 100 elixirs (all procced x5)
but these statements are out of question of course.
So i have taken the middle
(100+20)/2= 60 elixirs (please read until end :P )
60 elixirs of major agility sells (3each as it has been said in wowhead) so 180gold-vial profit=172,8 gold
if you are xmute master
you have no vial cost so zero taken
you farm mats
and xmute for primal might
you may end up with 1 2 3 4 or 5 mights
so i take again middle. So you have 3 mights
each might sells for 110gold (as it has been said in wowhead)
so farming all mats and xmuting a might gives you 330 gold (if middle calculations are being taken).
But just farming for 20 elixir of major agility mats ends up for 172,8gold (if again middle taken).
So here we go with the important questions;
1) xmute is once a day
2) elixir is nonstop and even includes flasks
3) each try has its own chance to proc
3) ech try has its own chance to discover a new recipe
4) you can make flasks and elixirs from the different herbs (not only teracone and felweed as in the above elixir of major agility)
5) Guilds are making Dungeon runs and so flasks and elixirs are needed much more then Primal Might which are only in demand of item makings
All in all
Elixir mastery overwhelms Xmute mastery unless your server has an extreme unpredicted situation as above statements have listed.
P.S. sure you need to run 1-2-3 dungeons for elixir mastery while xmute master doesnt need a group. But i dont think that will cause people all to go for xmute mastery :)
P.S. prices are taken from wowhead. Maybe differ from server to server. But imo elixir mastery overwhelms xmute.

İ am open to any +s and -s. Just wanted to make a Elixir vs. Xmute note :P Hope it will help you to have an idea. But if you wanna go for xmute or potion sure it is your desicion :D

Комментарий от 51032

You can unlearn your current specialization in Stormspire ( Netherstorm ).

Комментарий от 4079

Total mats required for the potions:
15x Ancient Lichen
25x Terocone
15x Felweed

Комментарий от 62677

You need to be lvl 68 and have 325 Alchemy. You will find about 4 Essence per run so it will be 3 or 2 runs. And the total mats needed for the potions is 15x Ancient Lichen, 25x Terocone and 15x Felweed. So there is no reason not to do this quest since you will need to run Caverns of Time anyway.

Комментарий от 28097

for the Horde players, step one in the questlines doesn't come from the Gnome in Honor Hold, it comes from the Thrallmar guy:
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/npc=16588

Комментарий от 72726

I did Bm yesterday and couldnt get the 10 items for the quest, i got 6.... basically i forgot about it, i was in the attu for my mage for kara, so after we finishedi decided to 2 man the lords, so i call a riend (hunter) and did it... no joke, just drop the beacon and kill him asap, the dragon will disapear when he is in 10% so burn him!!! hahaha was 4 am and nobody for Bm so did it this way... thinking in 2 man it the daily quest of BM someday.

Phelip NE Hunter
Pyp Human Pally
Chiteria NE Druid
Betelgeuse Dranei Mage
agamaggan ;)

Комментарий от Graebeard

I picked up the quest from Lauranna, believing I would have a choice of one of three directions. I then picked up the items she wanted but then realized all she had was the Master of Potions. I did NOT complete the quest, but Lorokeem won't talk to me. I'm lvl 70 with 375 Alchemy. Any ideas how to go about picking up Lorokeem's quest?

Комментарий от 4800

It appears that after you drop a mastery you also lose your cooldowns. I made a transmute just before I dropped transmutation master and noticed that the cooldown didn't exist any longer. I was able to transmute another primal might about 15 minutes later (without the proc) of course.

Комментарий от 136206

I am a level 66 Priest with my alchemy at 351 yet I can not get the specialization quests...WHY?

Комментарий от 136727

Need to be 68 to start the mastery quests.

Комментарий от xstaindx

Took me 5 runs to get all the required crystals for this quest in Black Morass.

Комментарий от Kupotek

Bypass that Black Morass quest :)

1. Acquire 4 Primal Might + 150g
2. Pick up transmute Mastery in Stormspire, Netherstorm
3. Hand in Primal Mights
4. Unlearn Xmute Mastery for 150g
5. Learn Elixir Mastery in Shattrath free

Комментарий от 103498

I'm glad you told about this alternative.

I know I'll be in for a loong wait before I get to enter Black Morass. And since I know only too well how hard it can be to get the rare lichen that IS there during the raid (because someone else in the party always wants to nina things rather than create a good connection with people who play well, which he'll of course not get after they all see where his motivations run).

So ... even though it's damn expensive alright (I don't even have a fast flying mount yet, and wear only s1 gear, so I can definitely not say I have my bank filled with golden treasures).

For me I guess it's going to be decided not as much by me as by coinsidence.

^L^,

ZynAr.

Комментарий от gelf

Of course the cheaper option is to go to Cenarion Refuge and get the potions mastery quest (5 super mana pots, 5 super healing pots, 5 dreamless sleep pots, and a book from the 2nd boss in Botanica) then pay 150g to drop it and go pick up elixir mastery... Will only require one run of Botanica, not even the whole instance and now locks can summon people without flying mounts into the instance, so possible to do at lvl 68.

Saves you the cost of 4 primal mights.

Комментарий от 161659

I just had Elixirs of Wisdom proc. Level 10 elixir.

Комментарий от FinnrSlayer

IF your poor.. you can do this quest then change to Transmute mastery

Комментарий от Allakhazam

really nice this thing

I was making 1 flask of the titans and I got 4 ^^

Комментарий от Allakhazam

We had to run it three times last night just to finish it. I was the only one looking for the Essence. After three attempts and one finish I ended up with 5 of them. Pretty slim pickins.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Had good luck this past weekend (on my main rogue lev 70, alchem lev 368) with this qwest...Oct.2007...got all 10 essences in one run, I was the only one collecting!...we ran the whole instance in about 40-50 minutes...had a good pally tank (forgot his name as this was a pug), mage was strickly on adds from the rifts, myself and another rogue dps'ed the main rift thing and the priest did his thing....2 members commented that this was the best pug they had ever been in... :) of course, never wiped and had to use the crystal thing only once to help medvidh(sp?)...
The tank did "gather" all the crocs and critters before we talked to main guy...hopped on his mount when we first got in and aggroed about 10-12 around him...he and mage then went nuts with AoE...he did this several timesso the random mobs were never an issue...
Already had the other elixers and herbs, so now i'm a master, can't wait for discovey and additional mixes...gather herbs from Terrakar (felweed & terocone) and antcient Lichen is best from Shad. Labs and Botanica...hopes this helps...
ps...i got the sun-guilded spads and the hour-glass trinket fell and the other rogue won it on need roll..

peace!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

As of this date, Bliz allows you to change mastery for 150g.

1. Learn another mastery (potions just requires one run to second boss in botanica and some potions).
2. Switch mastery by unlearning at the original trainer for 150g.
3. Go to the new mastery traner and ask to train. They will train you in the new mastery, no quest needed.

This isn't a trick, it's Blizzard's method for changing your mastery. The choice is yours.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I've ran this instance THREE times now and gotten two. Not once has another member needed the quest items. Am I just ridiculously unlucky? I'm going to be exalted before I finish the quest at this rate...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Does this specialization also work for those newer recipes witch becomes grey when you reach the skill 375? for example Elixir of Major Firepower, Adept's Elixir etc etc?

...Or is it only for those marked as brown, coz atm the highest I got, at skill 375, is a yellow Fel Mana Potion :/

Please, guideness someone! o_O

Комментарий от Allakhazam

ive ran bm twice an have gotten NO essences? what is the problem?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Takes about 2 runs of black morass to get Essence of Infinity x10 if your the only one who needs them.

Herbs needed in total: Took me about 1 1/2 Hours to farm the herbs in Terrakar Forest and bought the Lichen.
15 Ancient Lichen
25x Terocone
15x Felweed

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Tanked a BM run last night looking for the essences, and came away with only one. Most of the time, with looting on "Group Loot" I wasn't even able to loot the Rift Lords. Since I was the tank, I'm pretty sure I always got the first click on them. I was the only one with the quest.

My question is: if the loot system is set to "Free for All", so that I can "see" the loot from each one, would that increase my chances of getting the drop? Likewise, if we set it to myself as "Master Looter". Or did that just mean the drop rate sucks, and they weren't available.

Of course, in a pug this would take some trust from the other players that I wouldn't ninja everything, and would be easier in a guild run. Has anyone done this using the other loot systems?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

i need to 375 skill alch to obtain the quest?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I've never been to Black Morass before and I was a little worried about having to tank the place. However, the Paladin healer was awesome and the Warlock and Warrior (dps) were both decked in epics, plus we had a Hunter for the adds.

My finger is sore from mashing the Lacerate hotkey, but I only lost aggro twice and only once did Growl not pick it back up, forcing me to blow Challenging Roar.

Flawless run, but then again, we were pretty well-armed for that place.

Комментарий от gozcubukcu

The drop rate on the quest item is very bad. I got 2 from a BM run. Expect to do a lot.
Took me 4 runs to get all the quest item

Комментарий от MystSpecimen

Required Level 68, as well as 325 Alchemy

Комментарий от Shroominator

I made over 14,000 elixirs/potions with elixir/potion mastery, tracking separately at first and then combining the data after concluding that the proc rates are the same for elixir and potion mastery.

The average proc rate for elixirs/potions was 20.94%. No significant differences were seen between high level and low level elixirs/potions. No significant differences were seen between elixirs and potions.

I made 2300+ flasks with an average proc rate of 19.3%.

The actual proc rate on elixirs/potions and flasks is probably actually the same, and the difference I've observed is just due to statistical variance. I think that a lot of people underestimate the effect of random variance, even with larger sample sizes like this. Part of the reason for this variance is that 5x procs are pretty rare but have a big impact on the data, so differences could largely be explained just by the random occurrence of more 5x procs in one data set vs the other.

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Отправляйтесь в Черные топи в Пещерах времени и добудьте 10 кристаллов сути бесконечности с повелителей и хранительниц временных разломов. Затем отнесите кристаллы, 5 хороших эликсиров защиты, 5 эликсиров власти и 5 хороших эликсиров ловкости Лорокиму в Нижний город Шаттрата.

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	Большой эликсир ловкости (5)

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Я посвятил всю свою жизнь совершенствованию эликсиров, но, несмотря на все мои успехи, так и не сумел приготовить эликсира вечной жизни.

Но, кажется, понял, какого реагента мне не хватает. Говорят, в Азероте есть место под названием Пещеры Времени - туда проникают существа, способные создавать временные разломы.

В разломах конденсируется энергия и выпадает в форме кристаллов - так называемых "сутей Бесконечности". Принесите мне их, а также не забудьте несколько образцов ваших работ, - и я научу вас всему, что знаю сам.

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