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Если две одноручки, эффект стакается, если от разных пушек, если второй раз от одной и той же пушки, то эффект обновится.
Шанс прока с хита=скорость оружия*1.82 посчитано в далеком 2006 игроками ВОВ
Быстрее оружие = меньше шанс прока с хита, медленнее оружие = чаще прок.

Комментарий от seventeenzero

Выбивал в башне в Западных Чумных Землях три дня, каждый день делая по 30-40 зачисток (всего в башне 6-7 кастеров). Рецепт так и не выбил.

Комментарий от Dedaster0091

Вдруг понадобится для Weak Aura (к примеру тригер бафа)
Название бафа - (священная сила)
ID бафа - (20007)

If you are interested in the proc rate of crusader then read this.

http://rogerkarlsson.com/blogs/wow/crusader/

In short, the proc rate for lifestealing is based on your weapon speed, and the approximate proc rate for any given weapon can be found via this formula.

proc rate (%) = weapon speed * 1.82

Комментарий от Wedmark

It is possible to enchant both your Main-Hand and your Off-Hand with Crusader. They stack. Thus giving +200 Strength if both procs at the same time.

Комментарий от netherbane

Ever wonder why these weapon enchants never report a percentage for the proc, just that it has a chance?

That's because these procs don't have a general percentage to proc. Instead, all weapon enchants like fiery, icy, crusader, etc have a BASE CHANCE to proc, which is then modified by weapon speed.

Basically, the enchants are all targeted at providing a consistent DPS/Buff level across all weapon types. Say the base chance to proc is 10% based on a 2.5 speed weapon. You would then see that drop to 6.8 ( 1.5 / 2.5 = 68% | 68% of 10% ). Likewise, if you were using a weapon with a slow swing speed like 3.8 you would have a realized proc rate of 15.2%.

And with additional reading provided below, the actual rate has been discovered to be:

Chance on hit (%) = weapon speed * 1.82

In otherwords, your 1.7 speed dagger gets a 3.094% chance to proc, and the 3.8 speed 2h mace gets a 6.916% chance to proc.

In other words, weapon speed doesn't matter.

You will not get more procs from items that give you extra attacks or increase your attack speed. I.E. Thrash Blade or Hand of Justice extra attack proc, or Seal of the Crusader increase attack speed will not increase the amount of procs on the Crusader.

Комментарий от Darkweave

This is a very cheap enchant I would have to say get it if you would like another 100 strength for doing damage good for fury warriors.

Комментарий от SeriusJones

Best Mainhand for a combat sword rogue. I don't know the exact math behind it, but it is based on PPM (procs per minute), and performs well on a slow sword.

The Str is a nice AP boost, and the healing is no joke in raids and PvP either. I myself am more of a lifesteal guy, but this is right on par with it (more dmg, less heal).

- SJ

Комментарий от 8128

Our main tank uses this enchant. He loves the bonuses that it has, since i put it on his sword he has actually noticed it is a little easier to hold agro during our dungeon runs and raids.

Комментарий от Magmy

Since Crusader is a level 60 spell, it does less every level you are above 60. The exact amount is -4% effectiveness per level.

So at level 70 (a 40% reduction), Crusader only gives +60 Strength and only heals for 45-75 health. The tooltip still states you're getting 100 Strength, but if you look upon your character sheet, the increase is only by 60. Of course, this is the same for any tooltip in the game.

Комментарий от thebrassthief

Can you still enchant Crusader on lower level items? I thought they put restrictions on this when tBC hit.

Комментарий от 9117

All the old enchants can still be put on low level items, only the new TBC enchants have level requirements

Комментарий от gamepin126

Confirmed double proc'ing. Lvl70 Enh Shaman.

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/522/wow2007031220570362op1.png

Комментарий от 36705

I don't understand why they are decreaseing the effectiveness of this chant as you level. I mean, as you increase in level the amount of strength you would get from this would be steadily less apealing anyways since you can probably find better chants. Why not just make a better chant as apposed to making this one a crappy one?

Комментарий от Slanter

Here's a little math I did for Lifestealing vs Crusader.
I know most of it is right, but I'm not completely sure about the strength to damage conversion I have on here :P

(for the weapons, I just chose 2 popular rogue twink weapons, as I'm researching which of these enchants would be better suited to a lvl 19 twink rogue)

Lifestealing:
Cruel Barb - 22.036% (Speed 2.80 * 7.87)
Assassin's Blade - 14.953% (Speed 1.90 * 7.87)

Crusader:
Cruel Barb - 05.096% (Speed 2.80 * 1.82)
Assassin's Blade - 03.458% (Speed 1.90 * 1.82)

22.036 / 5.096 = 4.3241758241758241758241758241758
14.953 / 3.458 = 4.3241758241758241758241758241758

Lifestealing Procs ~4.32 times more often than crusader

Crusader: 75-125 heal (100 avg) +100 str
Lifestealing: ~130 heal ~130 dmg

According to this, lifestealing will heal you for 5-55 more (avg of 30) than crusader over the same time period.

The +100 strength from Crusader will increase your DPS by ~14 for 15 seconds. This is about an extra 210 damage, while lifestealing does only about 130 damage over the same period. So, crusader does ~80 more damage than lifestealing over the same time period. However, if crusader procs more than once over a 15 second period, some of that extra DPS is wasted, while with Lifestealing the damage is always assured (unless resisted of course).

So crusader gets you about 80 more damage than lifestealing over the same time period, but lifestealing will heal you for about 30 more.

*Note - The damage does not take into account things like shadow resistance, armor, or critical strikes. It is more likely that the crusader's damage is decreased by a larger percentage than the lifestealing, especially on mail/plate wearers, meaning that in some cases lifestealing could actually be doing more damage than crusader. But you have a better chance of getting a critical hit while the +100 strength buff from crusader is going.

Cost of Enchants:
-Averaged from polls with 2000-3000+ votes:
--Crusader: 99G 07S 06C
--Lifestealing: 74G 01S 58C (25G 5S 48C cheaper)
-Based on Allakhazam's AH buyout prices:
--Crusader: 172G
--Lifestealing: 123G 96S (48G 4S cheaper)

Комментарий от 63718

I want to ask. Does crusader procs using special attacks for example siniter strike or backstab or only normal atks?

Комментарий от 74247

Does anyone know if crusader sells well? I'm an enchanter about to hit 300 and i want to know if i can make money on it.

Комментарий от 51561

If you are trying to decide on whether to have Lifestealing or Crusader on your Mainhand wep, heres a little math to help:

With a 1.5s weapon procing at 2.73% we're looking at an average of 1 proc every 54 seconds (assuming every hit lands), or a .0185 "proc effect per second" average.

This is 1.85 health per second.Damage increases will vary by class, but shamans, warriors and druids and paladins will see a (100 str *2 = 200 AP increase/14) ~+14 dps increase for 15 seconds for an average dps increase from the proc over time of 3.8 dps. For hunters and rogues, there's an average 1.94 dps increase over time from the proc.

For comparison, Fiery weapon is about a 3.4dps increase, and +5 to damage is 3.3dps (on the 1.5, it's obviously speed dependent).

So in simpler words, For Classes that strength gives 2 AP, this is the better enchant. For classes that get 1 AP per Strength, its better to go with Lifestealing.
For warriors this enchant can be combined with the hamstring mashing trick. While doing this you can get 3.3 chances to proc each time you swing your wep, at 3.6 speed (1 weapon swing, 2 hamstrings).

Комментарий от 80033

So,I wanna get this straight---is crusader better than lifestealing?
Becos I have a 70 rogue but I dunno what to choose.
I'm a combat swords rogue with a 2.80 speed main hand sword and a 1.40 speed off hand sword btw.

I'd REALLY appreciate a good answer.

Thank you

Комментарий от 72407

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=20007

crusader proc.

Комментарий от 60711

The proc pwns

Комментарий от 42730

I have found at level 70 stratholme is the BEST place to farm for this enchant..i brought a 70 pally friend with me and we got enough mats for 3 crusaders considering i'm an enchanter the blues that drop give you large brilliant shards!

Комментарий от 47683

It's sad to say, but a lot of people scoff at my decision to place this on my Sun Eater. As a prot war, I feel that 60 strength is still a considerable boost that also affects block value. Against raid bosses with pretty good fight times, timed usage of the Auto Blocker gives a nice a boost in my Shield Slams.

Комментарий от 53267

Lifestealing has a rather high proc chance to deal 30 damage and heal self for 30, Crusader has a somewhat lower proc chance to raise strength by 100 for 15 sec and heal self for 75-125.

Now I wonder, is the proc chance of Lifestealing high enough to actually offset the difference in effect?

I will try and compare:
Imagine a character with a 20 dps two-hander, and 175 AP- total 32.5 dps.
Has either Llifestealing or Crusader.

During the Crusader proc of 15 seconds, average 100 hp is healed and the character has 375 AP (if it's a warrior/paladin/shaman/druid, otherwise it's 275 AP) equalling 46.8 dps. With constant damage on target, that would deal 702 damage in 15 seconds, compared to the 488 dealt when it has 32.5 dps. So the total effect of one Crusader proc on this character is average 100 hp healed, 214 extra damage dealt. (this 214 damage also holds true on any other value for weapon DPS or base AP)

Lifestealing heals for 30, damages for 30. In order to equal the extra damage on Crusader it has to proc
7.1 times, in order to equal the heal it has to proc 3.3 times.

Crusader is known to proc approximately 1 time per minute, Lifestealing 4.72 (according to http://rogerkarlsson.com/blogs/wow/lifestealing/ ) so in a timespan of 127 minutes Crusader would proc 127 times, Lifestealing 600 times.

Crusader would heal for 12700 average, and deal 27178 extra damage.
Lifestealing would heal for 18000, and deal 18000 damage. (again, if the user is wa/sh/dr/pa)

While this cannot be compared fully, this would come down to a total of
Crusader: 39878 "hp" in 127 minutes
Lifestealing: 36000 "hp" in 127 minutes.

Conclusion: still a matter of preference: both deal good damage, but Lifestealing heals a bit more and Crusader damages a bit more, BUT if you're a rogue/druid in cat form, LIFESTEALING is definately better.

Комментарий от hlcws

So does crusader give me more AP over time than potency? I am a DW Warrior with Season 2 offhand, (1.5 Speed) and I have Flurry specced.

Комментарий от 47946

Very odd decision to have this decrease with level seeing as it's just a fixed amount of attack power. The way to nerf it would be to just have BETTER enchants available at 70...

Комментарий от 45811

I've tested Crusader on a Lionheart Executioner, which has a similar proc called Lionheart (100 strength for 10 seconds, but no healing effect)..

The Crusader proc is 60 str at level 70 (120 AP for Warriors and Paladins). It seems to proc much more frequently than Lionheart, lasts longer, and both procs can be active at the same time, so the procs don't appear to be exclusive or share a hidden cooldown.

Crusader can also proc back-to-back, which I have not seen with Lionheart yet, so Crusader does not appear to have a hidden cooldown. However I don't know if there is a limit on the number of procs in a given time period. As the weapon is fairly slow, I've not yet observed either proc stacking with itself, but will report back if I do.

The Crusader glow is also much more attractive on such a pretty blade than the more common TBC enchants like Savagery or Mongoose, and compliments this blade's Lionheart proc very well, in my opinion of course.

Комментарий от Snikmord

Note that the recipe for Crusader says "occasionally", while the enchant says "often".

Комментарий от Artinz

I have compared this enchant to the only related enchant to it in the strenght aspect, Potency https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=27972. Now I decided to compare them on a weapon with 1.7 attack speed and one with 2.7 attack speed.

1.7 Attack speed

With a 1.7 attack speed, Crusader has a %3.094 chance to proc. And, with 1.7 speed you will get about 35 hits per minute. So, you should only get one Crusader proc per minute, lasting for 15 seconds in which you have +100 strength. So in those 15 seconds, you should get about 9 hits in. Those 9 hits in total give you 1800 bonus attack power. So every minute you should get 1800 bonus attack power.

Potency, with 35 hits in a minute, will give you 1400 bonus attack power. So, potency will give you 1400 bonus attack power per minute.

1.7 Attack speed w/ Reckoning

Reckoning is a paladin protection spec spell only available to people that have put talent points into it. I have done the calculations with 5 points in reckoning giving a %10 chance to proc. I used an enemy attack speed of 2.8, so you should be hit 22 times a minute. This would mean reckoning should proc about once every 2 minutes. However, there is only a %2.3 chance that Crusader and reckoning will proc together.

So Crusader with reckoning you would get 13 hits instead of 9 because of the 4 extra reckoning hits. This would be 2600 bonus attack power, instead of 1800.

So if reckoning procced with potency you would get 1560 bonus ap instead of 1400.

So my conclusion is...
Crusader is a better investment for PvE because PvE fights usually last longer so a bigger chance of a crusader proc.

Potency is more useful in PvP because fights are shorter and crusader might not proc, but you still want the enchant effects.

Комментарий от 47151

It's 1 block value for 20 strength, so as others have noted the crusader proc isn't really going to help you out much as far as Shield Slam goes at 70 -- you'll probably get more threat from the increased AP with white damage than you will anything else, and as far as mitigation goes a couple extra block for a few seconds won't save much healer mana, especially not in comparison with the large boost in your dodge and armor rating that you'd get from Mongoose for roughly the same amount of time. The healing you get from Crusader was mediocre at 60 -- at 70, honestly, it's laughable, and if you want to go that route you're better off with Battlemaster (which incidentally I just put on my King's, and am liking so far). Of course, at 70 Crusader is a cheap option, especially if you farm your own mats.

Now, as for that 20 agi enchant, this gives a small but constant amount of dodge, armor, and crit%. The last of these is frowned upon for stacking on tanks, but then again threat is threat, and a small amount of crit% is (very roughly) about as reliable as a huge amount of crit coming from a low weapon proc % (although Mongoose likely wins the threat fight with the weapon speed boost). As far as mitigation, I call it even, so the slight threat edge likely makes Mongoose still more attractive over 20 agi, although incredibly more expensive.

Now, the thing is, TSE is a mitigation weap. Use it in places you need dodge (hard hitting bosses or mobs: Prince, Gruul, the giants in heroic SV, etc.). If you have the luxury of switching between it and King's Defender, I'd put an enchant that boosts mitigation on TSE (and I say go with a threat enchant like Potency or Battlemaster on King's, what with its hit rating). Given that we've seen that Crusader isn't much for mitigation, I'd go with Mongoose on a TSE, or 20 agi if Mongoose isn't an option. But the difference between the two is like the difference between 12 dodge or 12 agi on your Devilshark (with Crusader the 120 armor option -- not a horrible idea, but not really all that great either).

Комментарий от 93630

I would like to know, would this enchant proc while using the whirlwind effect on the <Ravager> Axe, drop from Herod in Scarlet Monastery? If it does still proc while in that move, man we have a winner.

You would have high proc rate because of the constantly fast spins during the whirlwind effect, and your HP, and STR would be boosted guaranteed during the time that you are spinning and so on until attack move is over, so it would only take a few swings until it will kick in. Also, is this a good paladin enchant? Please Answer, thx.

Комментарий от 48793

I would suggest this enchant to any fury dual wield warriors. I have been using Vindicator's Brand (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=29124) and Gladiator's Quickblade (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28307) both with this enchant in Karazhan and the proc rate is amazing! I'd choose Crusader over Potency for raids any day (dual wielding executioner/mongoose is probably better but i'm broke >.<) i can get well over 2.5k AP (self buffs only) on boss fights with crusader (+60 str often procs twice) i would recommend Potency for any tanks/shammies but for fury warriors dual wielding crusader is the way to go (the proc rate doesn't decrease after lvl 60....only the amount of str) as for PvP Potency might be better but i have not tried it out yet

Комментарий от 119742

In response to Slanter i would like to say that he states that Lifestealing takes way 130dmg and heals you for 130. However, it does so only for 30 making his math inconclusive

Комментарий от dainer09

I agree to a point here with your statement. I personally still love crusader as a fury warrior in raids, however, I use potencey in my off hand since the proc rate of crusader in the off hand isnt that great. The constant 40 from potencey, i have found, is better overall dps

Edit: this was supposed to be a reply to Gurthang70's post >.<

Комментарий от 124449

Will this be able to proc for druids?

Комментарий от 96630

Yes can proc for every class, druid will just get lower Proc rate and cant proc in Bear, Dire Bear or Cat form...

Комментарий от 125575

Can this proc along with Mongoose's Lighting speed?
or they have shared hidden cooldown and non at time proccable?

Комментарий от SpareiChan

I would like to note that when i had this on only 1 weapon i had "Holy Strength" proc as many times as about 5-6 in a min... i believe that blizz has 'de'nerfed the ppm on this, infact i have it proc on my shaman 3 times in 1 swing with windfury.

Комментарий от siggboy

Your Average DPS from Crusader (weapon independent)

If you're a class that gets 2 AP per STR (e.g. Paladin or Warrior), this is how many DPS you will get, on average, from Crusader:

The enchantment procs about once per minute, with an effect duration of 15 seconds (= 25% of a minute). So, assuming that it never re-procs (overwriting itself), you will have an average gain of 25 STR from the enchantment. In reality it will be less than that because a re-proc does not add 15 seconds uptime to the buff, it merely refreshes the total uptime to 15 seconds.

25 STR = 50 AP = 3.6 DPS

This is for the ideal case where the effect never refreshes itself and you always make full use of the effect duration.

For comparison, Fiery Weapon procs 6 times per minute, for 240 damage per 60 seconds or 4 DPS (and it can crit, so it will actually be more than that), which is more than the average benefit from Crusader in the ideal scenario.

Consequently, if you don't want or need the self heal from Crusader, you should go with Fiery Weapon to increase your DPS. If you want heals to decrease your downtime, go with Crusader.

Disclaimer: The above is purely concerned about your average DPS gain from the enchantment. Crusader gives high burst DPS in addition to a heal, and it also increases your block. Situationally this might be preferred (maybe in PvP or when tanking or AoE grinding). If you're looking for a reliable average increase in DPS then Fiery Weapon is superior to Crusader.
The above also does not take into account a possible increased proc rate from buffs such as Windfury Totem, extra swings from Reckoning, Flurry Axe etc. On the other hand, your alternatives such as Fiery and LS will benefit from extra attacks as well, and more reliably so (direct damage instead of possibly overwriting their own effect prematurely).

Комментарий от 144159

I'm not sure if I've just been very lucky, but with my rogue (level 19 twink) I got Crusader with allmost all my backstabs and ambushes.. about 50/50.

Комментарий от Snikmord

Note that the formula for Crusader says "occasionally", while the enchant says "often".

Комментарий от 153659

I have read above that this can proc on all abilities, this would make it incredibly good for hunters, and probably other classes as well that have an instant without cooldown like wing clip.

Комментарий от naden

Just found it twice in 3 kills, after about 20 minutes of farming.

Location was WPL on the Spellbinders.

Комментарий от Invasion

Does this proc in Cat/Dire Bear Form?

Комментарий от souljah90

i'm puting LIFESTEALING nd CRUSADER on my weapons
cruel barb - CRUSADER
theives blade - LIFESTEALING
is this i good choice since they both are very good enchants nd heal.........im lvl 19 by the way

Комментарий от Thottbot

How does the proc work with rogue special attacks ? Say I put crusader on a trashblade (spee 2.70), then the chance is 5.40%. However the special rogue strikes allow for a lot of extra schwings. Does crusader proc on special moves ?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just love this enchant..
But i think its more than 3%, seems like it anyways. The funny thing is that sometimes it strikes even if i miss the target.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Does anyone know if this procs in bear- and catform for druid?If so I will definetely buy it.

Комментарий от Thottbot

It is a white glow, kickass look, not green like mentioned above ... and I'm not gonna be an ass and flame him out for it ... green glow is normally agility (im about 95% sure of that) but i know crusader is white glow.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Here is a picture of Crusade enchant, its pretty boring but its still cool. There is also a picture of Crusade proc'ing. I didnt scape them down so u could see proc text and stuff.
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5650/crus1df.png

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4838/crus29ia.jpg

Комментарий от Thottbot

Can crusader proc anymore from Seal of Command proc?

Комментарий от Thottbot

This is a random proc based on you being engaged in combat and doing dmg. Procs that activate off hits say "Chance on hit:". My stats from procwatch for a sample of over 4 hours of actual combat time is 2.1 procs per min.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Here's an article on the Crusader enchant, which presents a formula to calculate the chance of getting a proc for any weapon. The article also looks briefly at stacking and how Crusader interacts with gear that increase healing effects:

http://rogerkarlsson.com/blogs/wow/crusader/

Комментарий от Thottbot

I have a level 19 super Twink Rogue on Llane. I have Assasins blade and Cruel barb. I have had fiery, LifeStealing and now Crusaders on both. Crusader by far is the most effective and proc's the most. i have run the stats on my damage meters and Crusader way out Heals and procs than the others. For those of you wanting to know if it stacks....YES!. I have only had it stack once, but it does happen, and I was able to 2 hit a 19 warrior twink and kill him...it was awesome.

I suggest Crusader over LS and Fiery hands down.

Assessino

Комментарий от Thottbot

The nerf on Crusader is, at every level past 60 (starting at 61), there is a 4%/level nerf.

Meaning at level 70 it's +60 Strength.

That being said, with all the heralding about a nerf, it's great for melees just pulling up into their 45-50 range (especially warriors picking up an IBS), managed to get Crusader for 45g grand total, where before the orbs would have run me more than that.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I'm using it at level 70, it still gives 60 str (120 ap) making it better than savagery. You might argue the point that savagery is permanent whereas crusader is a proc, but it procs so much its a lot like being permanent. Especially considering how expensive Savagery is.

The heal it gives still helps, too.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just whats best for an imba twink lvl 39 (i have mongoose on MH and Lifestealing on OH Should i changE?)

Zharco Lvl39 AhnQiraj

Комментарий от Thottbot

The tower where this drops is in Western Plaguelands at location 54.23 just south of Hearthglen (nobody else listed co-ordinates and I came here looking for them so here they are for anyone doing the same as me in the future). Took me two hours and it finally dropped from a Scarlet Spellbinder.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Fun little tidbit: when it procs from retaliation, it can stack more than 2 times.

Today I was in WSG on my level 29 warrior twink, and while carrying the flag and getting attacked by half the alliance team I popped retaliation.

I was wielding a 2-hander, yet the buff stacked 3(!) times. Apparently, game mechanics do not consider retaliation counter-attacks to be attacks made with the same weapon as the one you're wielding.

It might be a bug, and rare enough not to have been fixed yet. Either way, it's positively awesome when it happens.

I'll try and replicate it, and take a screenshot. Might take a while, though - it doesn't happen often that retaliation is not on cooldown, I'm being focus fired by 5 people, and have 3 healers keeping me alive :)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I'm thinking about getting either crusader or lifesteal enchant for Destiny that also has a strength proc. Does anyone know if Destiny and Crusader will stack? Should I get something other than a strength proc enchant for Destiny?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

it will NOT work in forms, NO proccs works for druids in forms.
Also, i feel that ALOT of people here has written alot of things that are wrong about this procc.
Dual wielding this, CAN procc from both weapons, resetting the initial 15sec timer, AND giving you Holy-Strength^2 (which means, it will give you 200STR)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I grabbed this from a link below but it seems that people are asking the same garrulous questions about this enchant. RTFR before posting.

On a similar note, nobody gives a rat's ass how long it took you to get it.

% to Proc = Weapon Speed * 1.82

Reference: Crusader Enchant

Edited, Nov 2nd 2006 at 10:16am PST by smitster

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Im making a twink and was wondering if i could get this enchant on both of my weapons? if not i was giong to get crusader and lifestealing but hopefully i can get it on both any 1 know?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

some one know if u can ench crusader or lifestealing on a lvl 15-19 weap? i am doing a 19 twink and it´s really imba if i could have that on my weap =P

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Yep... it glows white. I saw one just yesterday. :)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Wat i really need to kno is, Do the proc rates change on duel wield at all or does it add 200 strength per proc ?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

why I like to play this game - it reminds me of math class!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

First to let you know I do not have this enchant, and might be biased, so feel free to flame me.

In theory the effect would stack if dual wielding. This based on my knowledge of the shaman weapon buffs. When I am using windfury or rockbiter, these buffs will go on my weapon, not my char (I can equip a different weapon, and the buff is gone, and requip, and it's back). They will, however, not stack on my weapon, as one replace the other. With crusader, they will if dual wielding. The crusader is procced on one weapon, and will give the buff to this weapon, then it might proc on the other weapon, and then give the buff to that weapon, giving you one buff on each weapon, and therby stacking the effect. If the first weapon proccs again, it will reset that timer, just as with flurry.

Hope this was helpful, and as I said, I don't know this for sure, but I doubt Blizzard would write a whole new code when they already have it ready.

Now, what is interesting to see, is wheter crusader and WF stack. That would be nice.

Lashes of apology...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

are high level enchants restricted to high level items? like could i enchant a lvl 42 item with crusader?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

If I were to put this enchantment on both of my daggers:

1) Suppose the proc rate would increase a bit?
2) Would it be able to proc more than once every 15 seconds?
3) If it does proc more than once per 15 seconds, would it reset my +100 strength timer, or just heal me and keep the 15 seconds going from the first proc.?

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why would rogues want this enchacnt when there is smth like +15 agi on 1H

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Two Blade of Unquenched Thirst + Crusader on each one. Awesome combo. Both effects stack, crusader and lifestealing. Procs quite nicely with this two daggers.

Screenshot of stacked crusader here: http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/336/imagen2fs9.png

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Does this make the enchanted weapon glow (sort of like Minor Beast Slaying)?

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No, non-enchanters can get it. Do get something enchanted, you start a trade and place the item in the Not To Be Traded window and the enchanter enchants your weapon/armour.

Enchanting costs a lot to the enchanter, so they might want you to supply the reagents (check the AH for pricing).

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I was always told that things proc PER HOUR, not per minute. The only thing which really has the ability to raise a proc rate is somthing like "slice and dice" or windfury, which has it's own proc timer and essentially "gives" more procs per hour by tricking the timer into thinking more time has gone past and allowing the enchantment to speed up on it's hourly releases.

That's just what I've heard, does anyone know if the Development team has said anything about it yet?

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can't wait to get my Warrior to lvl 50
Dual Weild Fury Warrior with 2x Crusader Hanzo's
just need to find the Orbs (with my main lvl 60) or buy them

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Permanently enchant a melee weapon so that often when attacking in melee it heals for 75 to 125 and increases Strength by 100 for 15 seconds.

I just got this Enchant. I've got mutiple procs for Strength, but I have yet to see that I was healed for 75-125. Can anybody verify that it does heal since the last few patches?

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can some one tell me how much it cost each as of feb 24,07

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Does this only work on 2 handed weapons or can you enchant two 1 handed weapons?

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one weapon procs crusader the buff goes up the second weapon procs a second buff goes up and they are additive if the first weapon procs again the first buff refreshes if the first debuff wears and second one is up still and first weapon procs again 2 buffs will again appear however if first weapon buff drops and second one reprocs the buff will only refesh still having only one buff ie each weapon with crusader will buff independantly of one another totally separate buffs with totally seperate timers on them.

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It's been 2 years since the first post!

BTW- Crusader doesn't stack...

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So for this reduced effect for characters...is that AT 60 and above...or at 61 and above? And how bad is the dropoff? Any response is appreciated.

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it should do more than that, bloody godly enchant :]

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does this mean non-enchanters cant get it? cause that would suck >.< sorry, don't know how enchanting works

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does anyone know if it would work on a druid in bear form?

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Can any1 tell me what's best enchant for rogue on dagger? This, +5dam or Icy weapon? thx..

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So crusader...

Procs chance/per hit or procs/per minute?
If it works /per hit then I might go for +15str instead on my 2Hander.

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This has already been gone over several times, but it seems many are still confused as to how this works while DWing.

Crusader does NOT stack with itself (No +100 then +200 then +300 STR)...
MH and OH crusaders CAN stack individually (Two seperate +100 STR). If the MH procs while still under the crusader effect from a previous MH hit, the strength will not stack again, but rather simply refresh the timer, making your previous +100 STR buff last longer. The same is true for the OH. However, everytime the proc occurs, whether the crusader effect is still on you or not, it will heal you, and the heal is not affected by +healing gear, as of patch 1.7.

And yes, it glows a dull white. Not to be confused with the Icy Chill enchant, which is a very bright white glow. Crusader also procs much more frequently than Icy does.

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Got 2 crusader recipes off my first three kills ;p also got a portals<-----------whatever the hell that does. Horde is the only way to go.

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what is the proc of crusader?

Edited, Fri Feb 25 20:41:44 2005

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wow, ive just read most of that, and all ive been seeing are the same things being said over and over agian in different ways. yet, for some reason im about to add to it. The proc rate is simply increased with slower weapons and decreased with faster weapons. so weapon speed increasing effects would increase the the amount of times it procs because the rate stays the same. i dont wanna think about what that means for dual weilding.

p.s. did i spell viscous right?

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i bought this for 40g on my hearthseeker. pretty cheap i guess.

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Can this proc more then once and restart the timer? I only hope it doesn't stack the str bonus.

Edited, Tue Aug 9 15:37:48 2005

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When the weapoin procs, it casts a spell "Crusaider - Target Self - Instant" You can not cast a spell on yourself twice to gain twice the benifits. Any spell that has a timer on the ability, when the spell is recasted, the initial spell is removed and a fresh one put in its place.

Like if Crusaider was the Shaman's Lightning Shield. It procs, you get a shield that damages anyone that hits you for 3 hits, and lasts 10 minutes. Some one hits you twice, and thier is 8 min left on the timer. The buff procs again (pretending its on a sword), the initial LS is lost, including the 1 remaining charge. In its place, a new LS, 3 chargers with 10 min timer, is put in its place. Even if dual yeilding, it will work the same. Just procs more, thus healing more, and being allot more reliable.

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Sorry but can other classes use this entchant not just palladins?

ps.:jakemaster

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i have a 29 hunter and a 15 pally (dont laugh i honestly have more alts than i can keep track of) which enchant should i get on them? cost isnt that big of an issue so that part doesnt matter. alst does it proc more often with faster weaps?

simple minds are easily amused

Edited, Oct 28th 2007 3:19pm by releisme

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Holy crap, man wish i knew a master enchanter, i'd pay 50 gold for this on one of my items. ><

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slap that on the super rare 1h epic drop from Emperor Thaurissan, Ironfoe, and with it's 3-strike Proc you're gonna deliver a can o' whoop-ass upon your enemy :)

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does it stack? is it possible to get +200 or +300 strength at a time if your weapons are fast enough?

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dual weild that on a rogue with high speed daggers (speed 1.5 or lower) and your enemy is in a world o' hurt

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I just got this enchant for 80g.

I only see the Holy strenth proc, is the healing proc much more rare or does it proc at the same time as holy strength and Im not seeing it?

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No you did not. It's "vicious".

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do you guys recomend a rogue getting this on MH and OH or something else?

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Can this proc on a druid in bear form? (Screenshot wud be nice if yes.)

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It's like Minor Beast Slaying except the sparkles/or bubbles are white in color.

It doesn't proc very often for me with a 2.00 speed axe (about 1 in every 50 hits or so) and I'm guessing the heal is the moment it procs and not every time you hit while under the effect as I can't tell any noticable difference. The str part of the enchant is correct.

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On my server, this is going for 80 gold per enchant.

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Have any of the people who think it doesn't stack actually tried?
Obviously not, dont make comments when your talking crap.

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I might be the luckiest bastard in the world. About a week ago, I got a deathbringer off of onyxia. I slapped a crusader enchant on it, and I love it.
The next time our guild runs ony, I go. I get ANOTHER deathbringer. I was extatic. I was wondering if I should get another crusader, or if i should get strength or agi to compensate for my weapon's lack of stats

thanks, and have a good turkey day : P

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is the ppm the same on your off hand as on your main hand? in other words is an enchant like this still as effective on your off-hand as your main hand

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So crusader got nerfed for 60+?
Anyone try to see what the proc rate on it is now?
I don't see why it's necessary to nerf crusader for 60+. Just make other enchantments stronger. Some where along the way, a fixed amount of +strength is going to be better than crusader enchant.

Also, didn't crusader used to require 4 orbs? Now only two?

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About how big dps different is +100 strength?

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Many people here are mistaken about weapon procs. The speed of the weapon will not make it proc any faster. Each enchant has a different proc rate and will proc a set number of times per minute. Fiery weapon procs a lot icy chill rarely for example. On a fast dagger it may proc once every 5 swings on a slow 2 hander every 2 swings. The number of procs per minute will be the same in each case. The only way you will get more procs per minute is if you have something to speed the number of swings per minute. Examples are flurry or the shamans windfury. Both of these will lead to more procs per minute.

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Cause +15agi=15 attack powe while a +100str=100 attack power and the procc of this is simply amazing. That's why!

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a guildie and I tested some proc rates today. we are both rogues and wanted to know what combination of 15agi and crusader worked best (ie: crusader main, agi off/ double crusader etc.). we had a feral druid sit and take my friends hits until he recorded @500 hits. it seemed as if the theory (actually fact, but some people refuse to admit they're wrong) of it being on a minute timer was correct. he had the hakkari warblade set (1.7 speed each) both with crusader and used blade fury and SS to get 5CP SnD whenever possible. He would go for about 40-50 hits (calcualting weapon speed and increased speed, about 1 min), and then have 3-4 procs in a row. this ended up with final results of 22procs/500-510 hits.
he then pulled out a glacial blade (no crusader) to test the procs from each hand. main hand warblade did about 14/505, and off hand was doing just 4 procs lower on the same amount of hits. further testing should probably be done to see the benefits of 15agi, but we ran out of time for the night. just from this demonstration, i think with fast weapons, double crusader is not as beneficial as the 15 atp and .5% crit from 1 crusader (main hand) and 15 agi on the off hand.

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I just got it on my off hand and the guy said matts were still around 100 gold on Stormreaver Server. I traded up and gave him 2 primal fires, 2 primal mana, and 2 primal shadows. Roughly that comes to 2 x's 25 gold (fire), 2 x'2 19 gold (mana), and 2 x's 1 gold (shadow), so around still around 90 gold.

Nice thing was I was farming primals for my dragon LW so I only needed to buy 1 fire and 1 mana because I had the rest lol. Cost me 44 gold:)

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U have a proof that it stacks right here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSHSsbm_L8E

Check at 3:49--top right corner--double proc---it stacks.

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How much should i sell this for

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I love this enchant, Just got it on my Lord Alexander's Battle Axe, Nifty enchant.

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my frined=my friend warrior 19 twink has taht and says he can kill a mage in one hit
so like charge boom dead....
he has all blues so hes crazzzy good twink

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this only glows white. probably the best enchantment for a weapon.

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Edited, Jun 26th 2007 4:09pm by Monkofxev

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where dose the damn thing drop?

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I have Alexanders Battle Axe. Got this on. *85g* every 3-4 hits it procs.... On average I get 250-350 Damage but when it proc's on my paladin things can go mad with Revenge Talent and others....I can get sveral 1000+ shots one after the other....shocks the life out of the Horde during PvP... Put Command Seal on with Might Bless and Might Aura....Hit a 60 Shammy and it was all over in 3 hits....with the speed increase of buff's etc seemed like it took 2-3 seconds...incredible..nearly 5k of damage. Sweet sweet moment. Makes up for those crap moment when you wonder if the game is bugged he's swinging so slow for crap points.

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I would say its glows Gray

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As I stated earlier I said: No, it doesn't stack but since 1.10 I've noticed that strength buff do stack but only if you have two enchants (might have done it pre 1.10 too, but I haven't noticed it til now).
Here are some examples:

a. you have one crusader enchant (regardless of mh/oh)
- when it procs, you get 100 str + 75-125 healing for 15 sec
- if it procs again during these 15 secs, the 15 sec timer will reset and you will receive 75-125 healing. You wont get 200 str!

b. you dualwield and have two crusader enchants
- say your mh procs you will get 100 str + 75-125 healing
- if the mh procs again during these 15 secs, the 15 sec timer will reset and you will receive 75-125 healing. You wont get 200 str!
- say your mh procs you will get 100 str + 75-125 healing
- if the mh procs again during these 15 secs, the 15 sec timer will reset and you will receive 75-125 healing. You wont get 200 str!
- when mainhand AND offhand procs at the same time (during the 15 sec interval) then the str-buff will stack and you will get 200 str.

I have some pics when they proc at the same time. Just don't know where to upload the image.

Edited, Wed Apr 12 07:50:25 2006

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if u duel wield crusader and both your MH and OH proc they will stack. If one of your weapons proc more than once it resets the effect on that weapon. I duel wield crusader and I have seen it stack alot. I haven't done a print screen to prove it but I can guaruntee that it does stack.

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