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I cannot recall of any boss that actually has resistances.
The occasional partial resists you may notice are caused by the level difference (boss level =yours+3), which translates to a damage loss equivalent of 15resistance, but cannot be mitigated.

In conclusion, this is the only viable choice for casters in PvE

Комментарий от 59522

As a raiding/pvp affliction Warlock, I would much rather have 20 penetration or a resistance enchant on my cloak, although it is a shame there isn't a better option (6-12 spell hit rating to cloak comes to mind)

On the PvE side: Warlocks have 10% threat reduction from talents, with this enchant, it comes to a total of 11.8% threat reduction. (Threat reduction effects are multiplicative so .9 * .98 = .882) This is almost the full 2% as advertised, but if you factor into the equation Blessing of Salvation, the actual threat reduction of this enchant is only 1.2% (post-BC almost every 10/25-man you'll have a Paladin in the group), bringing you to 61.74% of your DPS translating into TPS as opposed to 63% of DPS -> TPS.

Also with regard to PvE, you don't always put CoE/CoS on a mob - trash mobs, mobs that need banishing right off the pull - and non-Warlock classes can't rely on there always being a Warlock or two in the raid to have CoE/CoS for them, so penetration should be given consideration.

In pvp this enchant is obviously worthless, whereas Penetration or Resistance enchants would shine.

Note: TPS stands for Threat Per Second, CoE/CoS stand for Curse of Elements and Curse of Shadows respectively.

Комментарий от aleols

On PTR the mats for this is:

4 x Small Prismatic Shard
2 x Greater Planar Essence
8 x Primal Shadow

Комментарий от Corbon

This might be useful for healers. For any DPS class, there are alternatives.

Комментарий от 39142

This enchant is now available for 2.5g for being exalted with Thrallmar or Honor Hold. Arguably the best cloak enchant for ANY dps class.

Комментарий от defektunge

It's modified by other threat modifiers (BoSalv,Burning Soul,etc..) so it can be closer to 1%

False. The bonuses are multiplied, yes, but this does in no way diminish the value of this enchant. It's still going to reduce the threat you cause once all those other bonuses are applied by 2%, which is still just as good as it would be if you didn't have them.

It's fairly simple math, and it has to work the way it does to prevent threat reduction from stacking in very iffy ways once you get a lot of it. Just picture an enhancement shaman with Spirit Weapons, Tranquil Air, Blessing of Salvation, Bracing Earthstorm, and this enchant having 89% threat reduction, and you'll see my point. They'd be able to do ten times as much damage with the same threat...

Комментарий от 149470

What's cruel is that nowhere can be found a conclusive and verifiable list of spell resistances on all mobs in the game, and armor for that matter. Such a list would be conducive to qualifying or negating statements like "Nothing in the Burning Crusade except Supremus has any spell resistances for which anyone would need penetration."

Right now, it's impossible to say except from personal experience with combat logs to verify, but I can say from aforesaid personal experiences that many non-boss mobs do have spell resistances that will reduce significantly the magical damage dealt to them even with curse of shadows and elements applied. Some of the trash in Hyjal has very high Shadow resistance.

Pre-BC, spell resistances are very common and there are set numbers for hundreds of different mobs that range from 10-300.

Of course, we can just have two cloaks with different enchants for different situations.

As a point, go do The Air Strikes Must Continue and wear at least 50 spell penetration one time and none the other time. You will notice the difference between 14,000 Fire damage and 56,000 Fire damage.

These things having been said, Subtlety is the best PvE caster enchant and anything else is a cheap ploy to not spend eight primal shadows. Don't believe anyone who claims they're negating all the resistances in the Burning Crusade with their penetration enchant.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Basically good for anyone but your Main tank.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Where is this formula from?

Комментарий от Thottbot

2% less threat generated means 2% more dmg possible... simple as that... and since the nexus shards are FREE fro any high end guild, I'd gladly spent 40~50g on the diamonds to have that on my Puissant Cape ^^

Комментарий от Thottbot

as minimalistic as 2% less aggro is, what else you got that's good pve-wise? +3 agi? :P

Комментарий от Thottbot

Call me mad, but unless you increase my mana pool by 400-500%, i aint pulling no healing aggro the next 300 years.

-Shaman

Комментарий от Thottbot

We picked it up off the Twin Emperors last night. Going to have to say that this is definitely a good chant for those hunters, rogues and mages that can't help but pull aggro. Not too bad a chant for priests to help with healing aggro either, besides, most cloak chants are fairly useless for priests so this would definitely be worth the mats and as someone else stated, if you're killing the Twin Emperors, your guild most likely has a bunch of nexus crystals and large brilliant shards laying around so the only real expense would be the black diamonds which, on our server, run between 20-30g.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Personally I would welcome this enchant for my lock, SM/Ruin build or Destruction are very high aggro. Not fun for BWL raiding where aggro control is important.

Комментарий от Thottbot

this enchant isnt just good for dps, but its also good for healers too. imagine thhow much more healiung they could do without geeting aggro :P

Комментарий от Thottbot

The fact that hunters can wipe themselves off the hate list every 30 seconds means they should never be taking anything but AoE damage in a raid situation. If a hunter is taking direct damage and are not absolutely vital to the fight at hand I will happily let them die. There's a warrior out there who deserves my mana much more.

As for the enchant, 2% less threat sounds positively delicious. I can start casting heals half a second sooner and on high damage bosses like Vael, Broodlord and Firemaw where the starts can be delicate aggro/keeping tank up situauations that'd just be grand.

Комментарий от Thottbot

It hurts to have your feign death be resisted when you really need to drop your aggro because a mob is beating on you. It hurts to have your feign death be resisted when you need to drink and now you are stuck with auto shot and passive mana regen(GG, I hope you saved your Rapid Fire). It hurts to have your feign death resist when you are sure those crits put you close to drawing aggro. Feign Death isn't the ez-mode skill you make it out to be. I'd rather have this enchant then a lousy +3 agility enchant or +70 armor. As far as having an FR or NR enchant, I rather use my Onyxia Scale Cloak or Gaea's Embrace.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Any hunter pulling aggro is a moron. If feign is resisted then reduce your dps(DUH). Chances are you screw the whole raid up by taking aggro in most any raiding situations and in that case your a mana sponge that deserves to die. Now if you're talking UBRS or Strat or other such ez dungeons then who's gonna blow 4 Nexus crystals on that crap anyway.

Комментарий от Thottbot

As of patch 1.12 all threat reduction mechanics are multiplicative, meaning that e.g. BoS+this equals 31.4% reduction.

Комментарий от Thottbot

ever since that fateful day they changed the threat mechanics healers have been getting knocked around.normally this isnt a big problem but situations where there are many mobs or a mob that wipes his hate list it is, if you think a 2-3k melle or ranged crit pulls aggro imagine what a well meant 4-5k heal generates at the start of a fight! any threat reduction is worth its weight in gold so if i can find someone that can do this enchant for me thats what ill be paying for it

Комментарий от Thottbot

Since the patch that reset our talents and locks got a massive boost to their dps, this is now defiantly more sutied to a warlock.

until tbc arrives i would say that this is the best enchant a lock can get on his cloak (not including the fr for your fr gear).

me personally am sick of dieing in av at dreki when 20 men are killing him and we have 5 sunders on, i nearly always manage to get aggro once my dots really start kicking in.

not really needed this on raids as our MT was imba and pally buffs etc, etc but for dreki this could save me hehe :)

Комментарий от Thottbot

The biggest problem with a raiding shadow priest is agro.

Every point of damage we do, restores mana and health. We get triple threat generation.

Our recent buffs to damage, can make it so I am right up there with mages for damage. (the good ones are still up there, but I am coming within a few percentage points.)

I often have to make a choice of what I will regen, mana or health; doing both means I am usually second (and sometimes first) on the agro list.

This is with 40% threat reduction from my talents ( 25% Shadow affinity, 15% Silent resolve)

I still need more, to make myself more useful.

Fade is useless. It only drops threat slightly for a very short period of time, and once it is up; you get it all back.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I just saw a Rogue looking for this enchant and just want to let you know it is NOT for Rogues... get AP or even Stats before this.

The key is keeping your DPS at max, and use Feint to control agro. All this enchant does is save you 20 energy by not having to use feint, and 20 energy 2 or or 3 times in a Boss fight is no where near worth as much as the extra damage over the entire duration of that fight.

Комментарий от Thottbot

the thing is my rogue have too much ap/crit so I cant nuke as much as I want so every % in threat reduction is fracking imba! Im getting this enchant asap

Комментарий от Thottbot

i cant think of a better enchant for dps casters.... i have +20 spell penetrration to cloak atm but im hearing that this is useless for PvE so.... im thinking of switching to the less threat enchant instead... any thoughts?

Комментарий от Thottbot

This is THE best caster option for PvE since Spell Penetration seems to be useless. +120 Armor is worthless when you're getting hit for 6000. A 2% reduction in threat doesn't sound like much but it may JUST be the difference between life and death someday :)

Комментарий от Thottbot

"Formula: Enchant Cloak - Subtlety: This enchanting recipe is now available from the Thrallmar Quartermaster and Honor Hold Quartermaster. The reagents required have been adjusted to match the level 70 content."

Комментарий от Thottbot

I am a resto shaman and i was wondering if this was the best cloak enchant for me because i have no way to lower my threat once i have it like a priest with fade. Also i was wondering if there was a healer based enchant like bonus healing or something similar.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This would definately help a mage with all the agro we draw from our AoE spells

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I really wouldn't even mind having this enchant for my mage.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Those aren't bad costs for such a super enchant for a rogue/hunter! ;) Or any other class not wishing to face death because of overagro. :)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Most crucial for a priest, because when in groups priests don't generally do any damage.

Mages and locks can also use this with great success

Rogues have vanish to lose all aggro almost 100%
Hunters have FD, also works mostly 100%

Priests and Warlocks have the fearing spells, but those aren't usually feasible in dungeons.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Looking for this enchant on horde side Arathor. PST Aranael if you can do it :)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

clearly a Furywarrior-Entchant!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

does this mean aggro in general...like say the distnace that a mob can see u? im kinda confused

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Man, this is great for priests, when healing.

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