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Lacerate seems to effectively be the druid equivalent of sunder, and with the recent "nurf" to bear form threat this move seems like an incredibly useful tool for keeping all the hits on you. Lacerate is also the only bear form move that benefits from the mangle bleed debuff.
Too bad you have to wait till level 66.

Комментарий от peeweesweden

At this moment and to my knowledge, the only way to decrease the rage cost of this talent is by having the feral talent Shredding Attacks (requires 15 points in feral combat). 2 points reduce the cost by 2 rage.

But then again, I've only browsed through the relics so far. Are there any trinkets that have that effect?

Комментарий от 34715

Does anyone have a figure on what amount of threat this power causes? I am under the impression that bear threat is generated as a multiplier of their damage. Is that the same with this? How does that figure with targets who are immune to bleed effects.

Basically I just like to know what "high amount of threat" means, exactly.

Комментарий от 38374

As of 2.0.10 this ability has been changed to add a small amount of normal damage when used, in addition to the bleed damage.

The extra threat is applied to this front end damage in order to make it useful for tanking bleed immune mobs.

It was a much needed change and now it is completely viable for tanking bleed immune mobs.

Its threat output is comparable to that of a warriors sunder.

Keep in mind that the debuff still will not appear on bleed immune mobs so there isn't really any way for your party to keep track of how many "Lacerates" are on the target like they can with sunder.

Комментарий от Xokati

What way to build aggro ist the best?

1) Maul + mangle
2) maul + lacerate(spam if we have enough rage to use maul)
3) lacerate spam
4) maul + lacerate ( keep 5 stacks and refresh) + mangle

I was testing lacerate with ktm 19.16 and ktm show small amout of threat...(300-400threatps) It shows wrong?

Комментарий от Shuror

How to tank on a single target:
1st priority: Mangle. Always use when the cooldown is up.
2nd priority: Lacerate. When Mangle is on CD and you have rage for it, use it.
3rd priority: Maul. Use it when you have excessive rage which can't be consumed with the two already mentioned abilities.

Комментарий от 63715

I just want to know if initial attack of Lacerate can scale with Attack Power. Because even a 10% scaling would make this a little more efficient. Bear tanks are supposed to deal more damage than warriors, so I would expect this to grow a little more.

Maybe have a projected 1/5th of Maul's attack power, considering the rage cost and the lack of rage reduction (2 rage is definitely not worth the talent points, given the feral trees already powerful talents).

Комментарий от NSDragon

I've noticed that Lacerate triggers a 1.5 sec GCD, whereas other bear abilities (Mangle, Feral Charge, Faerie Fire, Bash...) trigger a 1 sec GCD. It does seem a bit odd, as I assumed that melee specials triggered the 1 sec GCD but spells the 1.5 sec GCD.

Can anyone confirm this?

Комментарий от 17636

The Initial Damage seems to be affected by the disease Effect of https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=9088

Making Gift of Arthas one of the top Guardian Elixir for the Feral Tank

Комментарий от Norrec

With 2.4 patch, lacerate will now scales with AP.

Source

Basically 20 AP adds 1 damage per stack.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Here some number crunching, on how much DMG you will be doing with lvl of the effect also remember this refreshes every time u reapply it.

Lacerate
Effect Staks DMG for 15 sec DMG per Sec
5 775 51.66666667
4 620 41.33333333
3 465 31
2 310 20.66666667
1 155 10.33333333

Lacerate with Mangle add 30%
Effect Staks DMG for 15 sec DMG per Sec
5 1007.5 67.16666667
4 806 53.73333333
3 604.5 40.3
2 403 26.86666667
1 201.5 13.43333333

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This ability kicks @$$ in duels, or any 1 vs 1 combat

Комментарий от Thottbot

I can't wait! \o/

64 at the moment. My 'sunder' in 2 levels, my Flight form in 4!

Комментарий от Thottbot

I am pretty sure from checking other sites the "stacks up to 0 times" should read "stacks up to 5 times"

Комментарий от Thottbot

Yeah it does stack up to 5 times. Level 66 druid garithos

Комментарий от Thottbot

For fights lasting longer than 20 seconds or so, this is a great ability.

Once you have 5 Lacerates stacked, you're getting an additional base *67* DPS. That's assuming you keep the Mangle debuff up for the +30% damage to bleed effects.

If you Lacerate again before the stack of 5 expires, you refresh the debuff. So it costs 65 Rage over ~10 sec to apply, but only 13 rage every ~10 sec to maintain at top damage.

(The Rage costs above assume 2/2 Shredding Attacks, which has become a great talent now that Shred benefits from the Mangle debuff.)

Note also that the ability text indicates Lacerate causes Threat in excess of its damage.

Questions to the gallery:

-Does Lacerate damage scale with AP?

-Does Lacerate damage generate rage? (Seems like it does, in which case any rage in excess of the maintenance cost turns into free Mauls.)

-Does Lacerate generate its extra threat on application or when it ticks? (If the former, that'd make it a spammable regain-aggro ability when Growl isn't enough.)

Комментарий от Thottbot

Lacerate used to be a imba tanking/dps ability

Blizzard nerf bear form over-all damage

Blizzard Hot-fixed lacerate and Mangle (bear) to generate more Aggro

Lacerate now does instant aggro - instead of over time during the DoT

My question: So, Druids will be spamming Lacerate / Mangle like a Warrior does Sunder Armor / Devestate?

Комментарий от Thottbot

so i guess basicly

mangle
lacerate
lacerate
lacerate
mangle
lacerate
lacerate

then refresh mangle again then keep lacerate refreshed when the duration gets low so that u can do top bleed dmg till the fight is over...if it even lasts that long anyway

Комментарий от Thottbot

full feral spec, no threat modifiers on equip:

lacerate: ~26 dmg -> 420 aggro (ktm mod)
lacerate dot: 10 aggro per tick and application (means 5× lacerate = 50 aggro per tick)

dmg independent i guess

can't figure out how much aggro does a crit make because every time it crits i also get more aggro from imp leader of the pack :D (heal)

Комментарий от Thottbot

I'm sorry, but a lot of the information provided by comments on this page is incorrect. I gotta set ya's straight.

Wowwiki provides a wonderful info page on threat/aggro per skill/spell. They pretty much have everything on there:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Threat

Specifically about Lacerate, wowwiki states that it does +285 threat initially (a sunder-like effect, though sunder does 301) and -80% threat on bleed and instant damage. They've tested this thoroughly with mods such as ktm.

So no, the dmg+dot/threat ratio is not 1 to 1, as stated erroneously above. It's 1 to .20.

You will cause 285 threat every time you use this skill, in additional 1 threat per 5 total dmg caused by it.

Be wary of this. The amount of threat actually being caused by the yellow numbers ticking away is much lower than what you'd expect. There's not much to worry about though, as the initial threat is enough to back up the inflated numbers.

Edit: These values of OF COURSE modified by the druid threat auras described on the page. Add 30% to threat for being in bear form and 45% if you have 3/3 Feral Instinct.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Oddly enough, I found Lacerate to be marginally useful in PVP, in spite of the fact that it doesn't scale with attack power: I'm a 66 feral druid, and I was able to take on a lvl 70 prot warrior. Since I was only hitting for around 150 per swing (white), the 220 damage tics were pretty handy.

Комментарий от Thottbot

A LITTLE bit confused:
Is the initial bleed damage ALWAYS 31 damage, even though stacking it?

First: 31 initial (+31 per tick)
Then what?
2nd: 31 or 62 initial (+62 per tick)?
3rd: 31 or 93 initial (+93 per tick)?
4th: 31 or 124 initial (+124 per tick)?
5th: 31 or 155 initial (+155 per tick)?

(And if u have mangle i guess this improves all the damages, both initial and ticks, by 30%)

Is it always 31 initial damage or the alternate?

Комментарий от Thottbot

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Комментарий от saillaw

In TBC Classic, you don't get this from your trainer until lvl 66.

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Разрывает противника на части, нанося ему 31 ед. урона в момент удара и еще 155 ед. урона за счет кровотечения, продолжающегося 15 sec. Урон увеличивается при увеличении силы атаки. Удар значительно повышает уровень угрозы. Эффект суммируется до 5 раз на одной цели.

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