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Viper is my new best friend. I use it almost exclusively when soloing now, only switching into Hawk if I need to finish a kill or have a hefty supply of mage water.

It is also very nice for preventing downtime in groups that don't want to slow down enough to let you drink very often.

The trade-off between Hawk 7/8 and Viper is 120/155 AP (roughly 10 dps) vs ~25/5 mana regen. Of course, for a hunter with significantly more than 100 Int, Viper will be worth more, and a hunter with Improved Hawk will get a bit more than ~10 dps increase when using Hawk.

Комментарий от 67323

I think this would be good for when you are in a long boss fight, you FD then use an itemswitch mod to change to alot of Int/MP5 gear, then wait for about 30secs while doing dps, then change back...

In pre Expansion, I got 462 Int, 25% of that is 115MP5 then with my 40MP5 added on, thats 155MP5.

Now with the BC you can get more Int than before, that means even more... Thats my thought on it.

Комментарий от 46079

It does take you out of combat *but* your pet can't have been attacking something, that links you to combat. If you pull the pet out of melee you can still feign/drink (from my experience), unless something pulls you back into combat. Not tested for boss fights, as I chug mana potions instead.

Aspect of the Viper definitely helps maintain that mana though, although lately I've been using it for only specific fights, or farming. Instances and raids in general, mana potions are a hunter's best friend.

Комментарий от 73742

Patch 2.2.0

Aspect of the Viper: This ability has received a slight redesign. The amount of mana regained will increase as the Hunter’s percentage of mana remaining decreases. At about 60% mana, it is equivalent to the previous version of Aspect of the Viper. Below that margin, it is better (up to twice as much mana as the old version); while above that margin, it will be less effective. The mana regained never drops below 10% of intellect every 5 sec. or goes above 50% of intellect every 5 sec.

Комментарий от koirint

imo this ability is not worth wasting aspect of the hawk for, but i have minimum +int so it could be useful to others who possibly have more.

If your like me and don't have a lot, stick with AotHawk

Комментарий от 60495

I was thinking of using Viper full-time on account of ImpAotH being somewhat 'unreliable' and making the difference up with gear since mp5 seems to be overvalued in itemization.

Also there's the whole thing about a random haste screwing up steady shot weaving and actually lowering your dps if your autoshot cooldown is shorter than the global cooldown. But this problem only occurs with end-game ranged (typically 2.9 to 3.1) when Rapid Fire and IAotH are on at the same time or you have a certain passive haste increase, etc.

Комментарий от 123600

Using aspect of the viper for the whole time is impractical, especially after you get a decent amount of raid or pvp/arena gear, as your DPS will be much, much lower than if you used Aspect of the Hawk initially and then swapped aspects with Viper when you hit 40-50% remaining mana. This is even true when you don't have IAoTH, as 155 AP (170~ AP with Master Marksman) equates to 31 damage per shot with a Valanos Longbow, or 34 with Master Marksman (Applied to a Valanos Longbow). Add in the possibility for a Critical Strike and the number of arrows you go through in the time between 100% mana and 40% mana, and you have accumulated alot of extra damage for having 155 self buffed attack power.

On another note, in response to the original poster:
When IAoTH procs and you have rapid fire going, on a 3.1 attack speed ranged weapon with a 15% speed increase quiver, your attack speed drops to 1.53. As you have likely noticed, this barely gives you time to cast a steady shot, so you are correct - attempting to weave a steady shot in actually delays your shot timer when both abilities are active. However, switching to AoTV full time is still not a good idea, as you lose a fair deal of damage granted by RAP, especially at the aforementioned attack speed. Note that all damages are calculated at Weapon Speed not Attack Speed. This means that the faster you can make your weapon fire with higher RAP, the more damage you will deal overall.
**EDIT**
I omitted a part of this paragraph - While your haste/rapid fire/IAoTH is running, if you're firing as fast or faster than your ability to weave in a steady shot, your DPS is approximately the same, even possibly higher than if you were weaving in a steady shot. . . For no mana cost and while allowing your passive Mp5 while NOT casting to kick in.
**End Edit**

Finally, mana regain via Viper is significant, yet it is no different than Mp5, therefore when you have full or very near to full mana, Mp5 is nearly worthless. It is when your mana pool runs dry that your Mp5 benefits are apparent. Hunters correctly utilizing their full shot cycle DO NOT have enough Mp5 unassisted, regardless of gear, to outregen their shot rotation. If we take an example hunter who, for whatever reason, loves his or her mana regen and give them 100 Mp5 while casting. This equates to 20 mana per second regenned while casting. Now give our example hunter 400 intellect, and have his or her aspect of the viper working at 55%. This would mean roughly 250 Mp5 or 50 mana per second. This totals up to 70 mana per second, barely outregenning steady shot, let alone a full out shot rotation. Therefore, with stats off the deep end our example hunter is doomed to run out of mana. With raid buffs, such as Arcane Intellect and blessing of kings, (For a new total of 117 mana per second) our example hunter is effectively OOM after firing a multishot and an arcane (or three steadies and an arcane).

The point: As a hunter, exclusively using aspect of the viper will NOT prevent you from running out of mana, and you're losing potential damage vs. far lower mana regen post 60% mana. The only way to truly moderate your mana pool is to moderate how many shots you have outgoing, the added Mp5 from this ability is not what dictates that you do not run out of mana.

Комментарий от asole

• Aspect of the Viper: This ability now grants an additional amount of mana each 5 seconds equal to 35% of the hunter’s level.

From 2.4.2 PTR patch notes

Комментарий от 144604

As of patch 2.4.2 Viper gets a pretty handy upgrade
~~This ability now grants an additional amount of mana each 5 seconds equal to 35% of the hunter’s level~~

Комментарий от Allakhazam

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Комментарий от Allakhazam

A very nice skill for PvE and battlegrounds.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

is this a group aura effect or a self only effect

Комментарий от Thottbot

it gives me about 51mana per 5 seconds (64 hunter with a bit t2 and greens ;))

Комментарий от Thottbot

My impression from looking at the regen rate, and I hope someone will spend the time to confirm it, is that it negates the rest of my "X mana / 5 sec" gear. What I'm getting at is it seems it doesn't stack? Maybe I'm just nuts...

Комментарий от Thottbot

I guess the usefulness of this aspect depends on how you're geared out.

My biggest problem is running out of mana, and I've focused a lot on Falcon-group gear (+agi +int) so the regen I'd gain from Viper would be significant.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Very powerful Aspect. The similar talents for Druids and Shamans regenerate only 10% of Int as mp5 with 3/5 talent point respectively.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just got this aspect and I love it. I'm BM specced but recently I've been doing so much dps I've been pulling agro off my pet and drinking water all the time gets expensive.

With this aspect I can go a lot further before drinking, and for those times when you do go oom and you need a trap or FD the fast mana regen is a life saver.

Good for grinding, questing, and instancing. Learn how to use steady shot and fire it between your auto shot and you can shoot your dps through the roof and with aspect of the viper it takes a lot longer to go oom while constantly firing it.

For pvp I always have the monkey aspect on, nothing better then dodging that ambush, hehe.

*This also increases the power of +int gear. More mana = more steady/multi/arcane shots and faster regen (more mana). Plus is boring just doing auto shot, *!@#$%^s are the funnest when using stings, shots, traps, and etc...

Комментарий от Thottbot

more reasons to roll on shammy gear, im not quite sure on how to feel.

Комментарий от Thottbot

i love aspect of viper. it givs hunters a real reason to have int. besides getin mana

Комментарий от Thottbot

Suppose: 240 int x 50% = 120 mana per 5 sec now confirmed its mp5 is better since 2.2 use AoH till u drop 50% mana and then AoV

Комментарий от Thottbot

Don't underestimate the small numbers. They look small, 56 mana per 5 seconds, but it really adds up - over time you will notice a significant decrease in your downtime, and once you get in your grinding groove, so to speak, the increased frequency of your special shots will make up for the loss of dps from not using Aspect of the Hawk.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Did some test to today on Dr. Boom in NS.

I did go all out 10 times - 5 with viper and 5 with hawk.

With hawk I did about 55-57k dmg and ran out of mana in 1 min and 10 sec.

with viper I did about 63-65k dmg and ran out of mana in 1 min and 23 sec.

So guess it shows that viper is the best!
Nearly have 150 int - and I still have gear with only agility and ap =)

Комментарий от Thottbot

the most useful hunter macro

/cast Aspect of the Viper
/stopcasting
/use Reins of the Swift Stormsaber

Комментарий от Thottbot

for those of you who have been demonologist warlocks, think of it like sacing you felhunter or felgaurd(tho the felsac is a bit better) mana regen in battle makes all the difference. Otherwise you would have to wait till after battle to start you mana regen (unless of course you don't cast anything for a while.)

Комментарий от Thottbot

I love this spell its rly usefull when im grindin.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I met the biggest $%^&*!@ that said this sucked in raids as a MM Hunter and your better off Fel Mana potting and Aspect of Hawking...Tryed that and within One Miniute my 7K mana pool was depleted, and within 20 Seconds the Fel Mana Pot died...

Did this 6 Minutes Straight of DPS...

Very good for Long Term Sessions, Short Fights, IE:Quest Elites you need to take down fast this works but for more Longer fights, IE: Kazzak, Tusker, Things with Lots of HP, This is the way to go!

Edit: Stacked with Combat Experience and Blessing of Kings you get Double Kings...

Base Agility + 2% (Or was CE 3%?) + 10% + 2% For CE Again + 10% for Kings

It rocks!

Комментарий от Thottbot

i've read most of the posts here .. and many goes on with the "just put it on and auto shoot" .. well . its mp5 so it dont care if you use spells or what the &*!@ you do .. you still get teh same X mana every 5 sec with this skill on no matter if you spam your shots or just auto shoot ..

but it is really awesome .. i mean ... 50 mp5 and what steady shot costs like 100 mana so with this on then you can allmost spam steady shot with no break at all .. it dont get much better than that .. i mean .. its a lovely spell no matter what anyone says ..

Комментарий от Thottbot

i have a 64 hunter and i have about 240 intellect.
you divide that by 4 and thats how much mp5 you get. i dont have a calculator on me.. so you do the math.
Yodle
Khadgar server (alliance) :D

Комментарий от Thottbot

"aspect of the viper" + "spirit bond" = godly endurance

Комментарий от Thottbot

A great ability. Aspect of the Hawk may look like it increases your dps more than this, but since you'll drink much less with this on => you can use more of your special abilities => more damage than aoth.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Since the new patch this has become extremely good, use aspect of the hawk till at 50% mana or something and u will have around 30%intMP5 when using this

Комментарий от Thottbot

The patch changed this spell, and now the regen changes depending on how low your mana gets. The most it'll get to is 50% of int, and lowest it'll get is 10%. I have improved aspect of the hawk, and I put that on for long fights until my mana runs on low and switch over to viper. That way, I get a big burst of DPS to start out with, and can keep going really steady on my DPS. The aspect keeps up pretty well, and since I got it, I haven't used a single mana pot.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Um,

If I have my facts straight, this is a level 64 Aspect and is available to ALL Hunters.
Those "comment-taters" below this level have proven that they are not quite the Hunters they think they are.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I love this ability it is aawsome AWSOME I TELL YA! its the best ever =:D

Комментарий от Thottbot

In the upcoming patch (2.3.2) the mana reg will be increased to 55% of total intellect. And i think that that's just sick. :)

Комментарий от Thottbot

I still have a few lvls before I get AoV, but I know one of my main problems is running out of mana, especially when I'm going for full dps. So I can't wait to use it and hopefully I can find a nice blend of AoH and AoV. Personally I think any hunter who doesn't find this useful doesn't know how to use their hunter.

Комментарий от Thottbot

i can go 20+ kills without drinking with little time in between kills, this ability is great when you are doing the hunting quests in nagrand and quests like that.

Комментарий от Thottbot

This is excellent for grinding for long periods of time, aspect of the hawk can do me about 4 kills if i damage hard, with this aspect on i dont really drink at all :O

Комментарий от Thottbot

better then aspect of the hawk (not in PVP)

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